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Famous Mortimer wrote:
November 30 22, 4:48 pm
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November 30 22, 1:17 pm
I don't know if this answers your question, but I think defense by and large is overrated. Some guys are better at it, some are worse, but there's only so much you can gain by being an S-tier defender, and it's less than can be gained by being a behemoth with the bat. Whether it's Edman or Bader or Dejong, we've seen players with WAR totals that look anywhere from acceptable to good but who are borderline unplayable when the bat is miserable. AFA the game-winning hit thing goes: I guess them's the breaks? Surely it's happened to Edman or Arenado or Ozzie or any other elite fielder too.

I do agree that it's unlikely the Cardinals will look to address shortstop. Edman is fine so long as he's batting at the bottom of the lineup because he is a good defender with good speed. I really don't get the holding a place open for Masyn Winn.
Do you think Ozzie Smith should be in the Hall of Fame?

Like I said, I don't want to watch a team of defenders either, but it does win games from time to time. By the same token, surely everyone is borderline unplayable when the bat is miserable?

The problem with all these arguments is, Edman was fine with the bat last year too. 108 wRC+, decent walk and strikeout rates, best baserunning shortstop...if that's your number 9, then you're winning 110 games.
Of course Ozzie should be in the Hall of Fame. One of the few primarily defense players worthy of that distinction.

The reason I say Edman is a perfect 9 hitter in a DH system is that he still doesn't really get on base all that greatly and doesn't hit for much power, but he plays great defense and has enough speed to get himself into scoring position when he does reach. Thankfully he came on at the end of the season to rebound from that terrible slump, but my broader point was it's easier to hide defensive shortcomings than offensive ones.

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Every team in baseball just got a bonus 30 million dollars for 2023.

No. Excuses. Not. To. Spend.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/disn ... -30-teams/

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Big Amoco Sign wrote:
December 1 22, 10:34 am
Every team in baseball just got a bonus 30 million dollars for 2023.

No. Excuses. Not. To. Spend.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/disn ... -30-teams/
From now on please use the 👏 emoji for emphasis.

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Odd to include the 87 win Phillies but not the 101 win, free-spending Mets.

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Zach Eflin gets a 3 year, $40M deal from the Rays.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/ ... -deal.html

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mikechamp wrote:
December 1 22, 9:10 pm
Zach Eflin gets a 3 year, $40M deal from the Rays.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/ ... -deal.html
This apparently is the largest contract the Rays have ever given out to a free agent in team history. The previous largest came in their inaugural 1998(!!!) season of 5 years, $35 million to Wilson Alvarez.

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Rays should move to Montreal

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Ken Rosenthal reported in his most recent article for The Athletic that the Cardinals maintain interest in Quintana and would consider trading Montgomery or Flaherty for a significant bat.

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i think flaherty's stock is pretty low right now. hes damaged goods. a year too late on that

not sure montgomery would bring back anything significant--he is what he is

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