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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 1:59 pm
So, uh, what happens when we're still all in lockdown in 3 months and the food supplies are severely disrupted?
My nephew (a farmer) posted a comment from someone on Facebook to a story about the supply problems. The comment was basically, 'I don't know why we need farmer's anyway. Most people go to Kroger's or Albertson's to get their groceries'.

May have been fake, who knows, but he also told stories of when he went to New York City years ago and amazed people on the subway that had no idea that farms existed and what they did.

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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 1:59 pm
So, uh, what happens when we're still all in lockdown in 3 months and the food supplies are severely disrupted?
We fend for ourselves; or better yet learn to do without.

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CardsofSTL wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 2:57 pm
GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 1:59 pm
So, uh, what happens when we're still all in lockdown in 3 months and the food supplies are severely disrupted?
We fend for ourselves; or better yet learn to do without.
Yeah, I'm betting that's not going to go very well.

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Leroy wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 2:46 pm
GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 1:59 pm
So, uh, what happens when we're still all in lockdown in 3 months and the food supplies are severely disrupted?
My nephew (a farmer) posted a comment from someone on Facebook to a story about the supply problems. The comment was basically, 'I don't know why we need farmer's anyway. Most people go to Kroger's or Albertson's to get their groceries'.

May have been fake, who knows, but he also told stories of when he went to New York City years ago and amazed people on the subway that had no idea that farms existed and what they did.
I think the more up to date and accurate urbanite stereotypical view of farms is that they are the place for your pastoral pre-industrial longings rather than actual places that need to do intense production to support the population.

Anyway, I don't think food supply chains are actually jeopardized. Grocery stores are struggling due to hoarding and the challenge of adapting to a almost instant shift from restaurant supply chains to grocery stores. And there was that story about the outbreak at a meat packing plant. But we're still able to produce lots of food so far as I am aware. Getting it to people and having enough money to buy it are the bigger concerns right now, I think.

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MLB players, team employees participating in coronavirus study
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/290 ... irus-study
Employees of Major League Baseball teams are participating in a massive study that will test up to 10,000 people for coronavirus antibodies and should offer researchers a better sense of how widespread the disease is in major metropolitan areas across the United States, although doctors caution that the data gathered is not expected to hasten the game's return.

The study, which is being run by Stanford University, USC and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL), will use test kits that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within 10 minutes. The test will detect the prevalence of IgM, an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been infected with COVID-19, and IgG, a second form that doctors said lasts long after the infection happens. A positive test would confirm a person did in fact contract coronavirus, even if he or she was asymptomatic.

The goal of the study is to get a better sense of the virus' true infection rate by utilizing a nationwide sample. The speed with which MLB coordinated logistics and ensured participation from a wide range of people, including players, front-office staff, concession workers and others, made it the right choice for the study, according to doctors running it.

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Arthur Dent wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 3:23 pm
Leroy wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 2:46 pm
GeddyWrox wrote: ↑
April 14 20, 1:59 pm
So, uh, what happens when we're still all in lockdown in 3 months and the food supplies are severely disrupted?
My nephew (a farmer) posted a comment from someone on Facebook to a story about the supply problems. The comment was basically, 'I don't know why we need farmer's anyway. Most people go to Kroger's or Albertson's to get their groceries'.

May have been fake, who knows, but he also told stories of when he went to New York City years ago and amazed people on the subway that had no idea that farms existed and what they did.
I think the more up to date and accurate urbanite stereotypical view of farms is that they are the place for your pastoral pre-industrial longings rather than actual places that need to do intense production to support the population.

Anyway, I don't think food supply chains are actually jeopardized. Grocery stores are struggling due to hoarding and the challenge of adapting to a almost instant shift from restaurant supply chains to grocery stores. And there was that story about the outbreak at a meat packing plant. But we're still able to produce lots of food so far as I am aware. Getting it to people and having enough money to buy it are the bigger concerns right now, I think.
The bigger problem from my understanding is the massive shift in how Americans eat opting (being forced) to dine at home instead of going to restaurants. Apparently this is a net decrease in food required overall, but the shift to get it to supermarkets instead of restaurants does not happen overnight and is causing farmers to have a backlog/waste of food presently. It's not that the supply chain is broken or even taxed, it's that it's non-existent. Farm A that's selling to Applebees doesn't just up and start selling to WalMart at the flip of a switch.

Further, people are buying more because they're cooking more. And, they're buying more because there's a perceived shortage. And, they've buying more because they're hoarding which causes a bit of an actual shortage. All that's manageable in the long run.

The long run issue is if the virus spreads uncontrolled and starts disrupting more and more plants causing a shortage of workers from my understanding as well as causing plants to close down due to the lack of workers. There's plenty of packaged/preserved/frozen inventory to account for stuff that's happening in South Dakota and Iowa, however.

Further, less of a problem for America, but with the attempt to control the spread and close/restrict borders globally, nations that rely heavily on imports from places like China may see shortages in worst case scenarios and import rules relaxed for food. Further, due to the hoarding and possible disruption, food prices that can be exported will rise as nations compete (again, worst case scenario) for food much the same they are competing for ppe. However, food that can't be exported will see its price plummet as the supply will increase dramatically.

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I wanted to support what Arthur Dent and AWvsCB were saying above by sharing this informative article from 2 weeks ago:
Why grocery shelves won't be empty for long

While the sight of empty supermarket shelves may lead shoppers to fear food shortages, experts in the food supply chain say the system is built to endure.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20 ... oronavirus

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My brother in law who works at a local hospital on the front lines just got his positive COVID test result back today. He's been very sick since Monday evening. This guy hasn't called in sick since I can remember. He did yesterday and will be home for a few weeks now. I am very worried. He said he almost didn't make it back to his bedroom today after going to the bathroom. I have a feeling he will be in the hospital very soon.

I'm also worried about my nephew (23) who is at home with him.

My sister who has a very compromised immune system has been at my house for 12 days now.

This is all very scary to me right now.

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Jeez, FB, that's terrible. I hope he starts recovering soon and can avoid the hospital!

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Prayers up for your fam, FB. For whatever it's worth.

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