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Re: Offseason moves thread
Edman is perfect as a 9th place hitter in a DH league. It’s also why I still don’t think his WAR is really as valuable as someone who generates most of it with the bat.
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I think Edman could turn out to be a great SS... placeholder for Wynn.
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GeddyWrox wrote: ↑November 30 22, 11:01 amListening to 101 this morning on my drive in. They briefly mentioned that Moz was speaking to someone (I'm forgetting who, maybe Goold or someone at the Athletic) and said something to the effect of:
"Edman is a really good SS. We really like him there." To which, Randy Karraker was like "yeah, we can put to bed any dreams about upgrading at SS this year."
I think this is the origin, Rosenthal's most recent notes column: https://theathletic.com/3951194/2022/11 ... es-astros/
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak, in a telephone conversation Tuesday, made it clear the team’s No. 1 priority is acquiring an everyday catcher. Asked about the possibility of adding a shortstop, Mozeliak said, “Tommy Edman is a very, very good shortstop.”
Mozeliak allowed that a change in the marketplace could prompt him to adjust at short, but it’s doubtful he could strike a bargain in free agency or in a trade. As for the outfield, Mozeliak said the Cardinals have numerous options, describing top prospect Jordan Walker “as the biggest wild card.” He did not rule out a veteran addition, but such a player likely would be a backup behind Tyler O’Neill, Dylan Carlson and Lars Nootbaar.
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Re: Offseason moves thread
Yup, exactly this.
Spending any type of our limited budget on SS would be crazy since there isn't an immediate hole to fill and we have a high end prospect on the way.
Catcher, starting pitcher, left handed outfield bat, and relief pitching (in that order) need to be the off season focus.
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Since there is no salary cap in baseball, there's no rush by teams to make moves.Popeye_Card wrote: ↑November 29 22, 7:01 pmI really prefer the NHL offseason, when the draft happens, then free agency lasts all of a few hours with a flurry of signings.
And if you're not a top player, you're almost always better off waiting until the top players sign, to drive up your own price. For instance, if deGrom leaves the Mets, the Mets are now scrambling to replace him with someone like Verlander. And then someone like Bassit has more leverage as well, since supply is going down.
Just the economic nature of the non salary cap league beast.
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Yeah that's why there aren't moves
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Yep, that was it! Thanks!Transmogrified Tiger wrote: ↑November 30 22, 12:17 pmGeddyWrox wrote: ↑November 30 22, 11:01 amListening to 101 this morning on my drive in. They briefly mentioned that Moz was speaking to someone (I'm forgetting who, maybe Goold or someone at the Athletic) and said something to the effect of:
"Edman is a really good SS. We really like him there." To which, Randy Karraker was like "yeah, we can put to bed any dreams about upgrading at SS this year."
I think this is the origin, Rosenthal's most recent notes column: https://theathletic.com/3951194/2022/11 ... es-astros/
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak, in a telephone conversation Tuesday, made it clear the team’s No. 1 priority is acquiring an everyday catcher. Asked about the possibility of adding a shortstop, Mozeliak said, “Tommy Edman is a very, very good shortstop.”
Mozeliak allowed that a change in the marketplace could prompt him to adjust at short, but it’s doubtful he could strike a bargain in free agency or in a trade. As for the outfield, Mozeliak said the Cardinals have numerous options, describing top prospect Jordan Walker “as the biggest wild card.” He did not rule out a veteran addition, but such a player likely would be a backup behind Tyler O’Neill, Dylan Carlson and Lars Nootbaar.
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You can think it's not quite as exciting to watch someone really good at defence / less good with the bat (I tend to agree) but I'd be interested to know what your opinion would be the first time a bat-first Cardinal SS let a game-winning hit go by them. Do you think WAR overrates all defence, or just Edman's? Genuine question, having seen stats come and stats go.MrCrowesGarden wrote: ↑November 30 22, 11:56 amEdman is perfect as a 9th place hitter in a DH league. It’s also why I still don’t think his WAR is really as valuable as someone who generates most of it with the bat.
If you think fWAR is useful / accurate, though, wanting to upgrade from the guy who was top 20 in all of baseball last year (the only people who were better at SS last year were Swanson, Bogaerts, Turner and Lindor) does seem a bit odd. I think there are positions the Cardinals are much more likely to go shopping for.
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Re: Offseason moves thread
They need an OF'er more than a SS as O'Neill and Carlson will miss significant time. But C should be the priority.Transmogrified Tiger wrote: ↑November 30 22, 12:17 pmGeddyWrox wrote: ↑November 30 22, 11:01 amListening to 101 this morning on my drive in. They briefly mentioned that Moz was speaking to someone (I'm forgetting who, maybe Goold or someone at the Athletic) and said something to the effect of:
"Edman is a really good SS. We really like him there." To which, Randy Karraker was like "yeah, we can put to bed any dreams about upgrading at SS this year."
I think this is the origin, Rosenthal's most recent notes column: https://theathletic.com/3951194/2022/11 ... es-astros/
Cardinals GM John Mozeliak, in a telephone conversation Tuesday, made it clear the team’s No. 1 priority is acquiring an everyday catcher. Asked about the possibility of adding a shortstop, Mozeliak said, “Tommy Edman is a very, very good shortstop.”
Mozeliak allowed that a change in the marketplace could prompt him to adjust at short, but it’s doubtful he could strike a bargain in free agency or in a trade. As for the outfield, Mozeliak said the Cardinals have numerous options, describing top prospect Jordan Walker “as the biggest wild card.” He did not rule out a veteran addition, but such a player likely would be a backup behind Tyler O’Neill, Dylan Carlson and Lars Nootbaar.