Mozeliak: "Some Changes" Coming For Cardinals, But Not A Rebuild

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Re: Mozeliak: "Some Changes" Coming For Cardinals, But Not A Rebuild

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haltz wrote: ↑
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Let the "Cardinals are in the market for an ace, and interested in . . . " rumors begin.
It’s funny because we know its going to happen. It has to happen. We’re going to sign FA starters.

And we all already know we’re going to be disappointed
There's going to be a plan A of Nola, Yamamoto and Cease that will turn into Gray, Imanaga and Quintana if we're lucky.
I am bracing for more like Gray and Quintana along with Mikolas, Matz, and Thompson/Hudson/Rom.

I could live with Nola, Quintana, and a cheap Severino. At the end of the day we're getting into bidding wars with like 28 other teams that need pitching so I'm really not expecting any of us to be happy with this offseason.

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No surprise, but Mo confirming marmol not getting canned

https://picks-s1.cbssports.com/mlb/news ... ast-place/

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Apparently when Max Scherzer got his 7/210 offer from the Nationals, he called Wainwright and told him to pass it along to the Cardinals and they don't have to match it, just be in the ballpark and he'll sign. Wainwright told the Cardinals and they never reached out to Scherzer.

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Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:09 pm
Apparently when Max Scherzer got his 7/210 offer from the Nationals, he called Wainwright and told him to pass it along to the Cardinals and they don't have to match it, just be in the ballpark and he'll sign. Wainwright told the Cardinals and they never reached out to Scherzer.
Hard to believe until Wainwright or Scherzer confirm.

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Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:26 pm
Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:09 pm
Apparently when Max Scherzer got his 7/210 offer from the Nationals, he called Wainwright and told him to pass it along to the Cardinals and they don't have to match it, just be in the ballpark and he'll sign. Wainwright told the Cardinals and they never reached out to Scherzer.
Hard to believe until Wainwright or Scherzer confirm.
exactly; it's on the other thread also...I do not believe a word of this (unless of course Waino and Matt say it is true like you said)

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I've lived through the Packers ownership/front office with Favre and Rodgers. This story being true wouldn't completely surprise me. What was he, 30 at the time?

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cardsfantx wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:39 pm
Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:26 pm
Magneto2.0 wrote: ↑
October 3 23, 12:09 pm
Apparently when Max Scherzer got his 7/210 offer from the Nationals, he called Wainwright and told him to pass it along to the Cardinals and they don't have to match it, just be in the ballpark and he'll sign. Wainwright told the Cardinals and they never reached out to Scherzer.
Hard to believe until Wainwright or Scherzer confirm.
exactly; it's on the other thread also...I do not believe a word of this (unless of course Waino and Matt say it is true like you said)
That'd be hilarious if Wainwright was secretly a jerk and never told the Cardinals about it.

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Hindsight being that the Scherzer deal was possibly the only huge FA pitcher deal that has ever worked out, we could probably find threads on this very forum from that time shocked at how big of deal it was and happy the Cardinals did not match it.

Not to mention the Cardinals at that time were in a much different place with their starting pitchers. In the first year of the Scherzer deal, the Cardinals led the league in ERa by a wide margin, won 100 games, all while their best pitcher (Wainwright) pitched 28 innings.

The problem is, the Cardinals haven’t developed jack squat for pitchers ever since.

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Zack Wheeler’s deal worked out OK.

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Is the definition of “working out” the team getting incredible surplus value?

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