How long would you give Walker as a starter?

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How long would you give Walker this season?

Poll ended at March 29 26, 9:48 am

Send him to AAA again/bench him
6
27%
DFA/Waive him now
2
9%
2 months
3
14%
All Star Break
2
9%
the whole season
2
9%
Depends on what Baez or others are doing in AAA
7
32%
 
Total votes: 22

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jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 14 26, 2:35 pm
Extending Walker will require the most expensive contract in franchise history. A good litmus test for ownership’s talk. Color me skeptical given their recent behavior.
You ready to make that bet?

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What bet? I think they’ll try. Wetherholt’s deal is team friendly. I have no idea what Walker wants.

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jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 6:27 am
What bet? I think they’ll try. Wetherholt’s deal is team friendly. I have no idea what Walker wants.
The bet that Walker is who he is right now. Without the glove and legs floor of Wetherholt, I think it's a real question should you invest in Walker yet. Maybe that's just me though.

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I was on board with giving Walker until the end of this season after winning the HR derby. But after that K in the All-Star game I’m tightening the leash. Two weeks, tops.

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Popeye_Card wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 11:15 am
I was on board with giving Walker until the end of this season after winning the HR derby. But after that K in the All-Star game I’m tightening the leash. Two weeks, tops.
Almost everyone on the National League team struck out...most of them against hittable pitchers.

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phins wrote: ↑
July 14 26, 1:36 pm
xwOBA of .374 and an actual of .380 gives even more credence to this being real. It's not a 1 correlation, of course, but it's a nice sanity check for hitters.

His BABIP is very high, but it should be with his exit velocities and sprint speeds. K% is somewhat under control.

Realistically, his under the hood data says this is a 3.5 WAR guy. He's tracking towards ~4 that at this point, but e we it's a bit of priors built into the projection (it's called Bayesian) so he probably ends up between 3.5-4 WAR this year.

When you think about his season and then realize Wetherholt is tracking towards breaking six, it also puts his year into context about why they prioritized extending Wetherholt.
Interesting to see him up against Wood, who's better in almost every offensive category. And already at 4.6 WAR while being roughly equal defensively. Wood has a slightly higher K rate (28.4% vs 24.8) but a significantly better walk rate (17.4% vs 8.1), slightly higher SLG, and even a couple more steals.

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phins wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 9:34 am
jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 6:27 am
What bet? I think they’ll try. Wetherholt’s deal is team friendly. I have no idea what Walker wants.
The bet that Walker is who he is right now. Without the glove and legs floor of Wetherholt, I think it's a real question should you invest in Walker yet. Maybe that's just me though.
The Cardinals aren't driving the bus here. He's getting close to free agency. I think there's a chance his asking price is beyond what they're willing to spend. Wetherholt was relatively cheap all things considered. This won't be. Walker is a one-of-a-kind case. I'm curious to see where it goes.

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jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 12:22 pm
phins wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 9:34 am
jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 6:27 am
What bet? I think they’ll try. Wetherholt’s deal is team friendly. I have no idea what Walker wants.
The bet that Walker is who he is right now. Without the glove and legs floor of Wetherholt, I think it's a real question should you invest in Walker yet. Maybe that's just me though.
The Cardinals aren't driving the bus here. He's getting close to free agency. I think there's a chance his asking price is beyond what they're willing to spend. Wetherholt was relatively cheap all things considered. This won't be. Walker is a one-of-a-kind case. I'm curious to see where it goes.
he's been god awful the last several years, and only has this great track record of 4 month...total. 4 months.

we still control him 2 years after this one.

He's not going to break any kind of record with his contract/we're not setting any high level mark for 4 months of production after several years of trash.

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He’ll be a free agent at 27. He’s gonna get paid.

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jagtrader wrote: ↑
July 15 26, 1:32 pm
He’ll be a free agent at 27. He’s gonna get paid.
That’s 2 years after this one; we still have control of him for 2 years after this one.

If he wants to sign an extension now, it’s not going to break the bank. It’ll be modest and team friendly.

If he has a great rest of this year and continues next, yes it will go up.

But right now if they talk extension (which is what is being discussed in this thread), it wouldn’t be some record breaking cardinals contract

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