Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Socnorb11]

You're right. I'm purposely starting "flame wars". I should just read stuff that I think is absolutely ridiculous, false or outright lies and just laugh it off. It's such a double standard for so many of you.

I'm not arguing to argue. But I'll just let the liberals have their little thread. That's obviously what you and others want.

Nobody wants you to leave. Just talk about the issues, and what the candidates are saying and doing, rather than just making generalizations about different parties. That's all I ask.

[stlouie_lipp]

Because Palin's daughter was 17...doesn't that mean it's statutory rape because she was under the age of consent? or is Alaska's age of consent lower?

I heard this the other day and was just wondering.

It's 17 in Illinois. It varies from state to state.

[BW23]

You're right. I'm purposely starting "flame wars". I should just read stuff that I think is absolutely ridiculous, false or outright lies and just laugh it off. It's such a double standard for so many of you.

I'm not arguing to argue. But I'll just let the liberals have their little thread. That's obviously what you and others want.

Nobody wants you to leave. Just talk about the issues, and what the candidates are saying and doing, rather than just making generalizations about different parties. That's all I ask.

Why are you asking me to talk about issues? Nobody else is doing that. People rush here to post what they think is negative about McCain or Palin, even if there's no basis of truth or if they're taking it completely out of context to distort the truth. I'm responding to that. Is that not talking about what the candidates are saying?

I haven't rushed here this week each time Biden has said anything stupid. I may have made a vague reference in one post about some of the stupid things, but I haven't started one post or even gotten specific on anything stupid he's said. I haven't rushed here to go off on anything stupid Obama has said. I've only responded to what others are starting. And I usually keep it pretty civil.

It's you and another or two that push it further and takes it way beyond what anyone else.

Yet I'm the one getting called out by you and another...the two biggest ones that keep coming after me.

Double standard...as I said earlier.

[Jocephus]

You're right. I'm purposely starting "flame wars". I should just read stuff that I think is absolutely ridiculous, false or outright lies and just laugh it off. It's such a double standard for so many of you.

I'm not arguing to argue. But I'll just let the liberals have their little thread. That's obviously what you and others want.

Nobody wants you to leave. Just talk about the issues, and what the candidates are saying and doing, rather than just making generalizations about different parties. That's all I ask.

Why are you asking me to talk about issues? Nobody else is doing that. People rush here to post what they think is negative about McCain or Palin, even if there's no basis of truth or if they're taking it completely out of context to distort the truth. I'm responding to that. Is that not talking about what the candidates are saying?

you were all over the "lipstick on a pig"...that hasn't been taken out of context?

you act as if you being the victim here, but many times you are baiting other posters....(granted, others are baiting you...and that may include me)

[Radbird]

I personally want to continue to hear all sides and viewpoints. I would have little interest in a thread that was merely proliferating information from only one side (or disinformation - and both sides are doing it). As I pointed out (about 60 pages ago, so long since lost to the ashbin of history), my presidential voting record is pretty balanced, and I want to hear both sides, especially when calling out the other sides bs.

So please, carry on.

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[Freed Roger]

I back McCain because I despise Liberalism. Period. I don't like McCain. There's nothing that would even make me vote for a Democrat again.

How do you define liberalism and conservatism?

See, this is what bothers me, too. Stop with the labels. Who cares? Black, white, male, female, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative............

Listen to the candidates and their issues objectively.

Exactly what I'm getting at - these labels don't make sense. Dems = liberals, Conservatives = GOP. If the labels were true, we'd have Ron Paul versus Dennis Kucinech right now. Some say the best conservative president we've had in a while was Bill Clinton. How can you call yourself a conservative when you are in favor of liberal endeavors such as the Iraq project? How is drill baby drill a conservative value?

There are so many contradictions in these labels - thats why when you brand someone a liberal, I'd like to know what they mean by that. Do you you mean liberals are all the "bad people"?

[Richie Allen]

There are so many contradictions in these labels - thats why when you brand someone a liberal, I'd like to know what they mean by that. Do you you mean liberals are all the "bad people"?

It's also not very useful when "liberal" is being used to characterize people that basically lean toward "conservatism". I and a couple others on here have said that we've voted Republican the majority of the time and we're now supporting Obama because we like him and what he's been saying. How that makes us "liberal" or "liberals" is beyond me. BW23 has already challenged some of us that we're lying when we claim that so I'll go ahead a provide a couple quotes of mine from the past here at GRB.

Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:46 pm

I could probably be talked out of being a Republican. Quite easily I might add. But I could never be talked into being a Democrat. The hypocrisy, not to mention naivete, of their ideas is just insulting.

I know, I made the same mistake of labeling.

Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:59 pm

I think it's pretty easy to see why young people gravitate toward the Democratic party. And the first, and most insulting, reason is the Democrats tendency to pander to the younger crowd. Their battle cry that they're going to Washington to fight for "us". They're going to raise minimum wage. They're trying to save the environment, despite the evil doings of their counterparts. They want free healthcare for everybody.

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:40 am

Obama needs to start readying himself to be the VP. That race is over.

You may be right but keep in mind it's still only the end of October, 2007. The latest poll numbers I see closed the gap somewhat 37 to 23% Hillary, from 44 to 17% Hillary. Of course I'm not sure how accurate this type of polling is when you've still got 40% of the people picking candidates like Gore, Edwards, Richardson, etc.

Sorry Snayke. Doesn't really apply to what's above but I couldn't help post it anyway.

[Richie Allen]

Five interesting NY Times articles I can't find much fault with.

David Brooks: The Social Animal

Bob Herbert: She's Not Ready

Paul Krugman: Blizzard of Lies (I know, it's Krugman but it still rings true)

McCain Barbs Stirring Outcry as Distortions

Gov. Palin’s Worldview

*Edit: I just noticed that you might have to be signed in to the NYT site to see the articles but I'll go ahead and leave these up anyway.

[BW23]

What Obama stands for, though, is "liberalism", IMO. Now, McCain's not a conservative by any means. And frankly, as I've stated before, I'm not a McCain fan. (In a way it pains me campaigning for him.) I was for the guy that was most conservative and closest to my beliefs in the primaries. But with my core beliefs, I don't see me ever voting for a Democratic president again. And very, very, very unlikely a Dem U.S. Rep. or Senator either. Doubtful for a major state office, too. I guess my beliefs are too strong (or I guess I'm just so far to the right) that I can't go with the candidate that's furthest from that. I could probably go Libertarian, but some of those beliefs are too far out there for my taking, too.

Has the Republican party made me happy lately? Of course not. But the alternative, IMO, is worse. So I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils in hopes that McCain might actually do some things I like.