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Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread

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Socnorb11 wrote:
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clevername wrote:she just gives canned generic answers to everything.

I mean, every politician does, but she's on the level of a high schooler running for class president.
That's exactly what goes through my mind when I hear her.

And now the McCain camp wants to move the VP debate. Hmmm....
Graham says the McCain camp is well aware of the position of the Obama campaign and the debate commission that the debate should go on as planned — but both he and another senior McCain adviser insist the Republican nominee will not go to the debate Friday if there's no deal on the bailout.
Imagine if he DIDN'T show up to the debate. Polling suggests that by a large margin, Americans want the debates to continue. Can you IMAGINE if Obama showed up, stood next to an empty chair in front of 75+ million people? Imagine if he got to use even 15 minutes to make a campaign speech? In front of TENS OF MILLIONS LIVE?

And this was the foreign policy debate -- McCain's best chance. After that, it's domestic policy and the economy. Ruh roh.

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GatewaySnayke wrote:I'll kind of go along with the sentiment -- I don't expect someone to be able to handle all this at once. But whoever said that it's the GOP's fault for picking her is right.

Has anyone else realized that the media -- and Couric in this instance -- is in a no-win situation? If she doesn't grill Palin, the left would come at her with pitchforks. She grilled her and I can only imagine that the right is going to use this as some sort of outcry of sexism.
It was a wise political move at the time to announce her as VP, had this crisis not become the soup du (what is the french word for season?). They needed a boost and Palin did that and then some. With that said, (in hindsight) would Romney have boosted McCain more than Palin has now?

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UK wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:I'll kind of go along with the sentiment -- I don't expect someone to be able to handle all this at once. But whoever said that it's the GOP's fault for picking her is right.

Has anyone else realized that the media -- and Couric in this instance -- is in a no-win situation? If she doesn't grill Palin, the left would come at her with pitchforks. She grilled her and I can only imagine that the right is going to use this as some sort of outcry of sexism.
It was a wise political move at the time to announce her as VP, had this crisis not become the soup du (what is the french word for season?). They needed a boost and Palin did that and then some. With that said, (in hindsight) would Romney have boosted McCain more than Palin has now?
Romney was and is an economic genius. He could have provided some much needed help.

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PujolJunkie wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
Michael wrote:
jim wrote:
clevername wrote:she just gives canned generic answers to everything.

I mean, every politician does, but she's on the level of a high schooler running for class president.
That's exactly what goes through my mind when I hear her.

And now the McCain camp wants to move the VP debate. Hmmm....
Graham says the McCain camp is well aware of the position of the Obama campaign and the debate commission that the debate should go on as planned — but both he and another senior McCain adviser insist the Republican nominee will not go to the debate Friday if there's no deal on the bailout.
Imagine if he DIDN'T show up to the debate. Polling suggests that by a large margin, Americans want the debates to continue. Can you IMAGINE if Obama showed up, stood next to an empty chair in front of 75+ million people? Imagine if he got to use even 15 minutes to make a campaign speech? In front of TENS OF MILLIONS LIVE?

And this was the foreign policy debate -- McCain's best chance. After that, it's domestic policy and the economy. Ruh roh.

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He won't, he'll be there. Him, showing up or not showing up draws attention away from the economy.

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Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread

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UK wrote:(what is the french word for season?)
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but it was a short sighted boost. The air was already coming out of the McCain/Palin ticket before the financial issues became huge. The boost had already disappeared.

They had to have (or should have) seen that once the bloom wore off, which wasn't going to last until November, serious questions would be asked about Palin's ability to fill the job.

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clevername wrote:but it was a short sighted boost. The air was already coming out of the McCain/Palin ticket before the financial issues became huge. The boost had already disappeared.

They had to have (or should have) seen that once the bloom wore off, which wasn't going to last until November, serious questions would be asked about Palin's ability to fill the job.
Hence: I have no unearthly clue what the [expletive] they were thinking.

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PujolJunkie wrote:How long before McCain is polling in the 30s?
Unlikely. Unless there's a third party candidate like Perot, I read that the floor should be about 40 percent.

As for Romney helping out: absofreakinglutely. I was hoping it'd be Romney just because of how much him and McCain despise each other. But Romney would be able to assuage a lot of our country's fears and do so a lot more convincingly than any other candidate that was in the race on both sides.

My fellow commie progressives: let us thank McCain for giving us what Matt Taibbi called "the cross-eyed political neophyte."

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GatewaySnayke wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:How long before McCain is polling in the 30s?
Unlikely. Unless there's a third party candidate like Perot, I read that the floor should be about 40 percent.

As for Romney helping out: absofreakinglutely. I was hoping it'd be Romney just because of how much him and McCain despise each other. But Romney would be able to assuage a lot of our country's fears and do so a lot more convincingly than any other candidate that was in the race on both sides.

My fellow commie progressives: let us thank McCain for giving us what Matt Taibbi called "the cross-eyed political neophyte."
I fully expect McCain's numbers to take a complete nosedive. If Obama isn't up by 10 by next week, I'll be absolutely shocked.

However, as right-winged as Romney is, I gotta admit just one thing. I'd trust his word about the shape of the economy more than McCain, Palin or maybe even Biden. The man knows money. Would he be telling the truth? Who knows? But I'd expect him to at least know what he's talking about in some way, shape or form.

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PujolJunkie wrote:
GatewaySnayke wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:How long before McCain is polling in the 30s?
Unlikely. Unless there's a third party candidate like Perot, I read that the floor should be about 40 percent.

As for Romney helping out: absofreakinglutely. I was hoping it'd be Romney just because of how much him and McCain despise each other. But Romney would be able to assuage a lot of our country's fears and do so a lot more convincingly than any other candidate that was in the race on both sides.

My fellow commie progressives: let us thank McCain for giving us what Matt Taibbi called "the cross-eyed political neophyte."
I fully expect McCain's numbers to take a complete nosedive. If Obama isn't up by 10 by next week, I'll be absolutely shocked.

However, as right-winged as Romney is, I gotta admit just one thing. I'd trust his word about the shape of the economy more than McCain, Palin or maybe even Biden. The man knows money. Would he be telling the truth? Who knows? But I'd expect him to at least know what he's talking about in some way, shape or form.
I think you're giving far too much credit to people being willing to change their vote and following daily politics as closely as you do. There might be a slight bump for Obama after today.

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