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Re: Obama/Biden vs. Palin/McCain: The Thread

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Obama +7 in the new Pennsylvania Daily Tracking poll by Morning Call.

McCain +1 on SurveyUSA's poll of Florida.

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pop_haines wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Palin survives the week.
I think the low expectations laid out for her can only help her. That's quite a minefield Biden has to negotiate. Palin's popularity is purely emotional. She'd really have to say something horrible to lose ground. Anything else, given expectations, will be a win.

I would've thought the Republicans have done her a disservice sequestering her, but what little she has said to the media seems to have bolstered her supporters; that mean media machine is picking on her. I think the Republicans should say she is being kept hidden in undisclosed locations so she can be used to it when she becomes vice-president! :wink:

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I don't see how he can drop her now.

He's got the base riled up with her. Dropping her angers them.

Dropping her admits horrible judgment in picking her in the first place. Doing so this close to the election would be something he couldn't recover from.

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pop_haines wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Palin survives the week.
She has to. Despite of all the negatives, she has done more positives for the campaign than negatives.

She didn't cause the economic crisis, or McCain's "fundamentals", "fire the SEC", suspend the campaign, his constipation demeanor during the debate, or hiding her.

If McCain would've picked Palwenty, Lieberman, or Ridge, he would be in worse shape now. Obviously Romney or Huckabee look better but their strategy was sway women voters and find a captivating conservative who appeals to evangelical crowd.

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KyCardinalFan wrote:
pop_haines wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Palin survives the week.
I think the low expectations laid out for her can only help her. That's quite a minefield Biden has to negotiate. Palin's popularity is purely emotional. She'd really have to say something horrible to lose ground. Anything else, given expectations, will be a win.

I would've thought the Republicans have done her a disservice sequestering her, but what little she has said to the media seems to have bolstered her supporters; that mean media machine is picking on her. I think the Republicans should say she is being kept hidden in undisclosed locations so she can be used to it when she becomes vice-president! :wink:

I don't see the minefield, be civil towards Palin and attack McCain at every junction. Biden has to turn this into a debate of issues and allow Palin to dictate the conversaion like Obama did with McCain with the economy as it went from a trillion dollar problem surrounding the economy to 18 billion surrounding earmarks.

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clevername wrote:I don't see how he can drop her now.

He's got the base riled up with her. Dropping her angers them.

Dropping her admits horrible judgment in picking her in the first place. Doing so this close to the election would be something he couldn't recover from.
I agree with that, but I think they have zero interest in losing her. If they wanted to drop her without losing face they could stop all the meddling they are doing in the "troopergate" investigation. They should not only let it go on, they should speed it up. Then ask her to step down as VP candidate and McCain could pick someone else. It'd have to be Huckabee or someone that ranks high with the base, though.

For all intents and purposes though, Liberman is essentially his VP, just not in title. I haven't seen those two apart in months.

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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... all_issues
Surveys of 1,000 Likely Voters
September 27-28, 2008

Who do you trust more on...

War in Iraq - Obama 46, McCain 45

Immigration - Obama 43, McCain 40

Environmental Issues - Obama 54, McCain 37

Balance Federal Budget - Obama 47, McCain 43

Negotiate Trade Agreements - Obama 47, McCain 43

Social Security - Obama 49, McCain 41

Healthcare - Obama 54, McCain 38

Education - Obama 53, McCain 36

Abortion - Obama 47, McCain 42

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UK wrote:
KyCardinalFan wrote:
pop_haines wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Palin survives the week.
I think the low expectations laid out for her can only help her. That's quite a minefield Biden has to negotiate. Palin's popularity is purely emotional. She'd really have to say something horrible to lose ground. Anything else, given expectations, will be a win.

I would've thought the Republicans have done her a disservice sequestering her, but what little she has said to the media seems to have bolstered her supporters; that mean media machine is picking on her. I think the Republicans should say she is being kept hidden in undisclosed locations so she can be used to it when she becomes vice-president! :wink:

I don't see the minefield, be civil towards Palin and attack McCain at every junction. Biden has to turn this into a debate of issues and allow Palin to dictate the conversaion like Obama did with McCain with the economy as it went from a trillion dollar problem surrounding the economy to 18 billion surrounding earmarks.
I saw the earmark discussion as a negative for Obama. That's one of the cornerstones of the McCain campaign - govenment waste. If Obama had dicated the economic discussion they should have been talking about the high price of gasoline, the number of foreclosures, the cost of Americans' grocery bills going up while their paychecks level out or falls. Obama needed to talk about "kitchen table" issues that were caused by the Bush administration, not earmarks.

Biden must make sure he does not bully Palin, act condescendingly, get a point across without being too cerebral and watch his body language. Also, he is expected to win so anything less is a loss. It will be a minefield.

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PujolJunkie wrote:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... all_issues
Surveys of 1,000 Likely Voters
September 27-28, 2008

Who do you trust more on...

War in Iraq - Obama 46, McCain 45

Immigration - Obama 43, McCain 40

Environmental Issues - Obama 54, McCain 37

Balance Federal Budget - Obama 47, McCain 43

Negotiate Trade Agreements - Obama 47, McCain 43

Social Security - Obama 49, McCain 41

Healthcare - Obama 54, McCain 38

Education - Obama 53, McCain 36

Abortion - Obama 47, McCain 42
I would really like to find out just who these 37 percent are. It's like saying 2 out of 5 dentists recommend grinding sugar in your teeth.

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KyCardinalFan wrote:
UK wrote:
KyCardinalFan wrote:
pop_haines wrote:I'm starting to wonder if Palin survives the week.
I think the low expectations laid out for her can only help her. That's quite a minefield Biden has to negotiate. Palin's popularity is purely emotional. She'd really have to say something horrible to lose ground. Anything else, given expectations, will be a win.

I would've thought the Republicans have done her a disservice sequestering her, but what little she has said to the media seems to have bolstered her supporters; that mean media machine is picking on her. I think the Republicans should say she is being kept hidden in undisclosed locations so she can be used to it when she becomes vice-president! :wink:

I don't see the minefield, be civil towards Palin and attack McCain at every junction. Biden has to turn this into a debate of issues and allow Palin to dictate the conversaion like Obama did with McCain with the economy as it went from a trillion dollar problem surrounding the economy to 18 billion surrounding earmarks.
I saw the earmark discussion as a negative for Obama. That's one of the cornerstones of the McCain campaign - govenment waste. If Obama had dicated the economic discussion they should have been talking about the high price of gasoline, the number of foreclosures, the cost of Americans' grocery bills going up while their paychecks level out or falls. Obama needed to talk about "kitchen table" issues that were caused by the Bush administration, not earmarks.

Biden must make sure he does not bully Palin, act condescendingly, get a point across without being too cerebral and watch his body language. Also, he is expected to win so anything less is a loss. It will be a minefield.
He won't bully her, while I doubt he would ignore her like McCain did to Obama, he'll be aggressive towards McCain. Palin will attack Obama well also, but the difference will come when defending their own party as Biden will be more direct and Palin will be more idealistic and that's where Biden will win the debate.

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