Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Richie Allen]

will absolutely not vote Obama b/c it is pandering to the rest of the world, sez he. We are trying to make them like us again

Yeah, God forbid that happen.

[Freed Roger]

will absolutely not vote Obama b/c it is pandering to the rest of the world, sez he. We are trying to make them like us again

Yeah, God forbid that happen.

...aw shut it and eat yer Freedom Fries.

[Richie Allen]

I've always though Bush subscribed too much to this Churchill quote:
"I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents."

[Richie Allen]

Too bad he didn't bother to read this one:
"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Too bad he didn't bother to read this one:
"Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events."

"Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober, and you will still be ugly."

[redbirdjazzz]

I've always though Bush subscribed too much to this Churchill quote:
"I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosities he excites among his opponents."

You're definitely right about Bush. Churchill's idea works better in a parliamentary system with an opposition party that could come into power at anytime via a special election, and all of a sudden those animosities are directed at a new PM.

[Radbird]

will absolutely not vote Obama b/c it is pandering to the rest of the world, sez he. We are trying to make them like us again

Yeah, God forbid that happen.

Pandering without preconditions, mind you.

[Leroy]

At work yesterday I heard the following, "you know things are bad when I'm considering voting for a black guy."

I don't know whether to laugh at that, or shake my head in disgust.

Another guy who is disgusted with Bush will absolutely not vote Obama b/c it is pandering to the rest of the world, sez he. We are trying to make them like us again so no vote for Obama from him.

A girl at work here said she would not vote for a (think O.J. trial and Mark Furman) president.

[Michael]

At work yesterday I heard the following, "you know things are bad when I'm considering voting for a black guy."

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Your post reminds me the following post discussing Obama's ceiling on fivethirtyeight.com:

If Obama is ahead by something like 7-8 points ahead nationally, that means that he has persuaded just about all of the persuadables, and he's left looking to covert people like those in Ben Smith's anecdote.

An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are f***ing undecided. They would call him a n----r and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

If those sorts of people are the undecideds -- and when Obama is winning Pennsylvania by 12 points or something, that's probably what we're looking at -- then Obama really is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Further gains are going to be difficult to come by, which means that his polls are more likely to go down than to continue going up. (Indeed, our model assumes that the race will tighten some).

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/ ... iling.html

[ghostrunner]

At work yesterday I heard the following, "you know things are bad when I'm considering voting for a black guy."

I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Your post reminds me the following post discussing Obama's ceiling on fivethirtyeight.com:

If Obama is ahead by something like 7-8 points ahead nationally, that means that he has persuaded just about all of the persuadables, and he's left looking to covert people like those in Ben Smith's anecdote.

An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are f***ing undecided. They would call him a n----r and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."

If those sorts of people are the undecideds -- and when Obama is winning Pennsylvania by 12 points or something, that's probably what we're looking at -- then Obama really is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Further gains are going to be difficult to come by, which means that his polls are more likely to go down than to continue going up. (Indeed, our model assumes that the race will tighten some).

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/ ... iling.html

I'm skeptical that black voters and first time voters are well accounted for in these polls, so I'm wondering if Obama isn't being understimated in the polls at this point. Particularly in the South.