Freed Roger wrote:
Thanks for all that PJ. still I am a skeptic on some of the polls, healthy skeptic though. Maybe being surrounded by so many republicans causes this.
It's completely okay to be skeptic. I'm pretty confident right now, but I'm on the edge of my seat every time I see any numbers starting to move the opposite way of Obama. But I still will say, if everything I've read, analyzed and seen holds still for the next 19 days, it's over.
I'll believe it when I see it. I just keep worrying about the Bradley effect or whatever you want to call it. Child of the 60's coming out in my I guess.
I heard the other day that both Bush W. and Reagan were down as much or more with 20 days out as McCain is now. Reagan for certain and I definitely heard Bush was to, but I don't remember it that way.
The difference, though, is the economy. In almost every election in the past 100 years virtually around the globe the party in power in the middle of a serious economic downturn has lost.
Freed Roger wrote:
Thanks for all that PJ. still I am a skeptic on some of the polls, healthy skeptic though. Maybe being surrounded by so many republicans causes this.
It's completely okay to be skeptic. I'm pretty confident right now, but I'm on the edge of my seat every time I see any numbers starting to move the opposite way of Obama. But I still will say, if everything I've read, analyzed and seen holds still for the next 19 days, it's over.
I'll believe it when I see it. I just keep worrying about the Bradley effect or whatever you want to call it. Child of the 60's coming out in my I guess.
I heard the other day that both Bush W. and Reagan were down as much or more with 20 days out as McCain is now. Reagan for certain and I definitely heard Bush was to, but I don't remember it that way.
had to dvr the 3rd debate and just got done watching it.
Are we punishing people for success now? Do good have a successful business and were gona raise your taxes. Make to much were gona aise your taxes. Screw up, get in debt over your head, cant pay your mortgage? Well lets reward you by bailing you out.
I live in a small town with two families that everyone knows as the walefare families. No jobs, as far as i know never made an attempt to get a job. They both live in the nicest houses on their respectivie blocks. Surrounded by families that go work hard everyday, but cant afford anything nicer cause they themselves actually have to pay their own bills.
And when did healthcare suddenly become a right? Weve got to get a ballanced budget and if we cant afford things like healthcare then it shouldnt be in there. First ballance the budget and if we can include healthcare great if not then there isnt money for it. There is always the option of not carrrying any healthcare.
Diddy wrote:had to dvr the 3rd debate and just got done watching it.
Are we punishing people for success now? Do good have a successful business and were gona raise your taxes. Make to much were gona aise your taxes. Screw up, get in debt over your head, cant pay your mortgage? Well lets reward you by bailing you out.
I live in a small town with two families that everyone knows as the walefare families. No jobs, as far as i know never made an attempt to get a job. They both live in the nicest houses on their respectivie blocks. Surrounded by families that go work hard everyday, but cant afford anything nicer cause they themselves actually have to pay their own bills.
And when did healthcare suddenly become a right? Weve got to get a ballanced budget and if we cant afford things like healthcare then it shouldnt be in there. First ballance the budget and if we can include healthcare great if not then there isnt money for it. There is always the option of not carrrying any healthcare.
Diddy wrote:had to dvr the 3rd debate and just got done watching it.
Are we punishing people for success now? Do good have a successful business and were gona raise your taxes. Make to much were gona aise your taxes. Screw up, get in debt over your head, cant pay your mortgage? Well lets reward you by bailing you out.
I live in a small town with two families that everyone knows as the walefare families. No jobs, as far as i know never made an attempt to get a job. They both live in the nicest houses on their respectivie blocks. Surrounded by families that go work hard everyday, but cant afford anything nicer cause they themselves actually have to pay their own bills.
And when did healthcare suddenly become a right? Weve got to get a ballanced budget and if we cant afford things like healthcare then it shouldnt be in there. First ballance the budget and if we can include healthcare great if not then there isnt money for it. There is always the option of not carrrying any healthcare.
Do you make over $250,000?
No, but is that 250K gross or net? Im saying that as selfemployeed, is it 250 before or after my deductions? Who decided 250 is enough? Is that per individual or couple?
Obama made the comment ath he could afford to pay more, so why hasnt he just donated more to the IRS over the past few years if he feels that way?
Bush LOWERED the tax rate on these folks, Obama is simply putting it back. It's all about choices here, taxes are going to be paid. The question is, who pays them and how much. 95% of the country is going to have lower taxes with Obama's plan, I just don't get so many people being upset with that.
I used 250k because i think that is where Obama's plan has your taxes going up. I assumed that was what you were talking about (re: punishing success).
Do you make (net or gross) anywhere near that?
If you do, then I guess I can understand your sentiment.
If you don't, but you aspire to, as we all do I guess, why not wait to fight this fight once it actually affects you? I'm not trying to be snarky.
I just don't get people like "Joe the Plumber" who says the exact same thing in all these soundbites. He makes $35k or whatever but he is fighting the fight for those making $250k. I don't get that.
docellis wrote:I used 250k because i think that is where Obama's plan has your taxes going up. I assumed that was what you were talking about (re: punishing success).
Do you make (net or gross) anywhere near that?
If you do, then I guess I can understand your sentiment.
If you don't, but you aspire to, as we all do I guess, why not wait to fight this fight once it actually affects you? I'm not trying to be snarky.
I just don't get people like "Joe the Plumber" who says the exact same thing in all these soundbites. He makes $35k or whatever but he is fighting the fight for those making $250k. I don't get that.
Ya I know where you came up with the 250K "joe the plumber" could easily be in the same position as i am. Say i go out and spend $250K on seed, fuel and fertilizer. Bad year and my sales come out to $260K, do my taxes get increased because i made more the 250K? Even though only 10K of that went in my pocket?
From what ive read it appears that way, but im not sure thats why im asking.
As far as fight this fight when it affects me, its just one of my beliefs and im not going to vote against my beilefs for short term financial gain.
docellis wrote:I used 250k because i think that is where Obama's plan has your taxes going up. I assumed that was what you were talking about (re: punishing success).
Do you make (net or gross) anywhere near that?
If you do, then I guess I can understand your sentiment.
If you don't, but you aspire to, as we all do I guess, why not wait to fight this fight once it actually affects you? I'm not trying to be snarky.
I just don't get people like "Joe the Plumber" who says the exact same thing in all these soundbites. He makes $35k or whatever but he is fighting the fight for those making $250k. I don't get that.
Ya I know where you came up with the 250K "joe the plumber" could easily be in the same position as i am. Say i go out and spend $250K on seed, fuel and fertilizer. Bad year and my sales come out to $260K, do my taxes get increased because i made more the 250K? Even though only 10K of that went in my pocket?
From what ive read it appears that way, but im not sure thats why im asking.
As far as fight this fight when it affects me, its just one of my beliefs and im not going to vote against my beilefs for short term financial gain.
It's net profit, not gross sales that gets taxed. Earnings are taxed.
