Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[G. Keenan]

Okay last chance BW and any other Repubs on the board.

Gut check time: are you a real American or not?

[cardsfansince82]

Okay last chance BW and any other Repubs on the board.

Gut check time: are you a real American or not?

Well, I'm about as independent as it gets. Quasi-american? Half-american? Mixed patriot heritage?

[sighyoung]

Okay last chance BW and any other Repubs on the board.

Gut check time: are you a real American or not?

Well, I'm about as independent as it gets. Quasi-american? Half-american? Mixed patriot heritage?

Your post reeks of treason.

[PujolJunkie]

I'm sorry. Call me a sexist pig, but I've been laughing for 10 minutes.

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[G. Keenan]

Okay last chance BW and any other Repubs on the board.

Gut check time: are you a real American or not?

Well, I'm about as independent as it gets. Quasi-american? Half-american? Mixed patriot heritage?

Seriously though, there is no good reason to vote for McCain. I don't even know why most conservatives want to vote for him. He's not religious, he's not a social conservative, and his fiscal conservatism has been nowhere to be found for the last 4 years. Then of course there is the fact that very little of what he's said or proposed over the past month makes any sense whatsoever.

[indyredbird]

Okay last chance BW and any other Repubs on the board. I'm voting tomorrow. I get more than enough of the left on this board. I've been waiting for months for someone to give me specific reasons why I should vote for McCain and all I ever see are broad generalizations, vague statements and attacks on Obama without much substance. I don't think Obama always has a plan that will work nor do I agree with all of his stances. But at least it is clear that he has a plan and knows specifically what he wants to do. Why should I vote for McCain?

What the heck, I will take a shot. To be honest McCain wouldn't be my first choice, sadly in most presidential elections I find myself voting for the one who scares me the least. But I do believe McCain is closer to what I believe in than Obama. I really don't agree with larger government, and I think McCain is for smaller government programs than Obama. Both seem to be promising the world and act like it will solve all its problems. I have heard this before. I think government is highly inefficient, and giving it more responsibility frightens me.

Taxes, I think should be left alone right now. I think corporate taxes are a bit high, 2nd highest in the world I believe. I like that McCain is for nuclear energy, it seems like 30 years ago, America started to build more nuclear plants, but went away from it. Done the right way, I believe it can be safe.

Granted, I think Palin was a bad choice, but I don't understand the hatred towards her. She does have limited experience, but I would argue she has more executive experience than the other 3 put together. McCain has done a crappy job of campaigning. He is all over the place, while Obama has done a great job of communicating his ideas, although I do not agree with many of them.

I would sum it up is that I am getting sick of all politics. There is corruption on both sides. McCain did have somewhat of an attempt at campaign reform, but not enough. To me lobbying should be illegal. How can candidates accept money from places and expect to be impartial? I am sick of career politicians. The last candidate I truly was somewhat excited over was Ross Perot. Many of the things he said in 92 have come true. I don't understand the excitement over Obama, but maybe I am jealous that people are excited over a candidate that I judge as truly more of the same BS over the last couple decades.

[jim]

indy - I appreciate your thread above. I can't say that you sound all that excited, but it's substance based.

Let me explain the Palin hate... It's not Palin the person, as a person I'm sure she would make a great neighbor. It's the decision that McCain made to, imo, put someone not qualified in any way, shape, or form that close to being president. Now if you believe she is qualified then you won't understand, but I absolutely think it was the most wreckless thing I have ever seen a candidate do. I'm furious with it, because it's sole reason seems to be to stir up garbage.

It's not her, it's the decision and the reason the decision was made.

[Popeye_Card]

I think corporate taxes are a bit high, 2nd highest in the world I believe.

Just thinking out loud here, but the US has the largest GDP in the world (for now) and the largest national debt in the world as well.

Is it that big of deal that we ask the rather profitable corporations to pay the second highest rate in the world to maybe keep that debt from increasing even more? I understand that there's a delicate balance that tips the scales towards stiffling new business.

The whole American economy is pretty eff'ed right now, and it's not just about the banks/mortgages/credit crisis. The fundamentals, as McCain likes to call them, are NOT strong, IMO. We've become a merchant economy that relies upon hypercapitalism. The manufacturing base is withering away. If you take a look at where global manufacturing has shifted to, you also see some of the strongest growing economies in the world. We need to fix the system to where we're the manufacturers again.

[cardsfansince82]

The Palin thing is a big strike against McCain for me. I don't think you can ever truly say anyone is qualified to be president or how you go about achieving it. But you can determine if someone even meets the minimum requirements of being capable of being president. If you can't give an interview to anyone at any time and be able to adjust on the fly or give anything more than a canned answer then you can't be the leader of the most powerful country on earth. Either McCain thinks she is the best candidate for the job and could be ready to step in (wrong) or he compromised his morals and the future of this country to try to get elected (even more wrong). Either way that gives me pause to vote for someone like that and have faith he will do the best job when he has all the power.

[indyredbird]

indy - I appreciate your thread above. I can't say that you sound all that excited, but it's substance based.

Let me explain the Palin hate... It's not Palin the person, as a person I'm sure she would make a great neighbor. It's the decision that McCain made to, imo, put someone not qualified in any way, shape, or form that close to being president. Now if you believe she is qualified then you won't understand, but I absolutely think it was the most wreckless thing I have ever seen a candidate do. I'm furious with it, because it's sole reason seems to be to stir up garbage.

It's not her, it's the decision and the reason the decision was made.

I am definitely not excited, and probably will never be unless the political process changes. Politics are so corrupt it makes me sick. BOTH sides.

With Palin, I definitely think there were more qualified candidates that could have been chosen. But she does have executive experience. She is a governor who has had to work with parties over budgets, fiscal policies, and other items done on a state level. I actually value a governor's experience over a senator's any day of the week. I think that is why the last non-governor elected was Kennedy back in 1960, except for Nixon and Bush 41 who were VPs first.

She was definitely picked to appeal to the conservative base. Usually candidates have their base locked up and then move to the center. McCain did the opposite and that is why his campaign is a train wreck. Obama had his liberal base sewn up, and now he is trying to move to the center. I think that is why he backed off his ending the Iraq war stance, his off shore drilling stance has changed as well.