Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Popeye_Card]

Outside of their core, America can't stand her.

What are you talking about? I love her. Her folksy talk, and her winking. It's comedy gold.

I just would never, ever want her as the President nor Vice President of this country.

[docellis]

Outside of their core, America can't stand her.

What are you talking about? I love her. Her folksy talk, and her winking. It's comedy gold.

I just would never, ever want her as the President nor Vice President of this country.

She would be a great country music artist.

[Michael]

McCain is resting his hopes on instigating a "Joe the Plumber" voter uprising against the better-funded Obama by whipping up populist sentiment over Obama's comment to Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher that raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year would allow Washington to "spread the wealth around."

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McCain is doomed. The Wall Street bailout is making this a tough sell.

[Hungary Jack]

There's already a movement taking place trying to mount a conservative comeback. They haven't given up on McCain, but they feel that even if McCain wins the Republican Party needs to be steered back in the "right" direction. Rush talks about it, David Frum already has a book out about it, the wingnuts are set on taking their party back. I actually think a revamped Republican Party could do extremely well, even as soon as 2010. Refocus on actual small government policies, start pushing a flatter revamped tax system, drop the evangelical arm of the party, take a chunk out of the green movement by re-branding it as conservation and pushing nuclear power... the debacle in Iraq will mostly have worked itself out by then, and I'd even distance myself from the knuckleheads PNAC. The problem is that their champion for this conservative comeback is none other than Sarah Palin. If that's the person conservatives want to rest their hats on, they're doomed.

Palin isn't going to be the face of that movement--what does she bring other than an image?

Jon Henke has a reasonable blog about this--he mentions that Palin doesn't bring the political philosophy, governing strategy, or grassroots base to be the leader of such a movement:

http://www.thenextright.com/jon-henke/s ... -the-right

Well, there's an obvious rift, and there will probably be a race to see which side can "comeback" first. You have the Palin side - people like Rush and other neo-cons who feel that Palin represents the "small town, strong values, pro-America" side. She really is their person, they love her twice as much as McCain, and her supporters are a big part of the Republican base. And then you have the "conservative intellectuals", who adhere to more classical conservative views of small government and very limited intervention in social matters. I'm generalizing things greatly (my little labels for each group aren't exactly great), but that's pretty much the rift. Ultimately, the "conservative intellectuals" can steer moderates towards their side, but the "Palin" side controls the most of the base and their political network (which is still pretty strong). I mean, practicality still matters, and the base can organize and get the vote out better than any "conservative intellectual" movement could.

It's a good summary of what's in play. I just cannot help but think that the rural evangelical movement is utterly doomed as the population ages and more younger Americans move to metro areas and away from the insulating effects of these small towns. A lot of small rural towns are being repopulated by--gasp--immigrants. Relatively soon, there won't be any "small town, pro-values, pro-America" types left for the right wing to call its "base".

[docellis]

[PujolJunkie]

New polling this morning from the Big Ten polling consortium and Quinnipiac University present a view of what the world might look like if Barack Obama wins in a landslide.

The Big Ten polls have Obama ahead by double digits in ten Midwestern states: he leads by 10 in Indiana, 11 in Pennsylvania, 12 in Ohio, 13 in Wisconsin and Iowa, 19 in Minnesota, 22 in Michigan, and 29 in Illinois.

Quinnipiac has Obama ahead by 14 points in Ohio, 13 points in Pennsylvania, and 5 points in Florida.

It's becoming bigger. He's also at the highest point he's ever been at on Rasmussen. 52%. He's also only 10 behind in Texas. TEXAS.

[G. Keenan]

New polling this morning from the Big Ten polling consortium and Quinnipiac University present a view of what the world might look like if Barack Obama wins in a landslide.

The Big Ten polls have Obama ahead by double digits in ten Midwestern states: he leads by 10 in Indiana, 11 in Pennsylvania, 12 in Ohio, 13 in Wisconsin and Iowa, 19 in Minnesota, 22 in Michigan, and 29 in Illinois.

Quinnipiac has Obama ahead by 14 points in Ohio, 13 points in Pennsylvania, and 5 points in Florida.

It's becoming bigger. He's also at the highest point he's ever been at on Rasmussen. 52%. He's also only 10 behind in Texas. TEXAS.

I really doubt he has those margins in Ohio and Indiana.

[ghostrunner]

New polling this morning from the Big Ten polling consortium and Quinnipiac University present a view of what the world might look like if Barack Obama wins in a landslide.

The Big Ten polls have Obama ahead by double digits in ten Midwestern states: he leads by 10 in Indiana, 11 in Pennsylvania, 12 in Ohio, 13 in Wisconsin and Iowa, 19 in Minnesota, 22 in Michigan, and 29 in Illinois.

Quinnipiac has Obama ahead by 14 points in Ohio, 13 points in Pennsylvania, and 5 points in Florida.

It's becoming bigger. He's also at the highest point he's ever been at on Rasmussen. 52%. He's also only 10 behind in Texas. TEXAS.

I wouldn't trust that poll. There's no way he leads by 10 in Indiana.

[PujolJunkie]

New polling this morning from the Big Ten polling consortium and Quinnipiac University present a view of what the world might look like if Barack Obama wins in a landslide.

The Big Ten polls have Obama ahead by double digits in ten Midwestern states: he leads by 10 in Indiana, 11 in Pennsylvania, 12 in Ohio, 13 in Wisconsin and Iowa, 19 in Minnesota, 22 in Michigan, and 29 in Illinois.

Quinnipiac has Obama ahead by 14 points in Ohio, 13 points in Pennsylvania, and 5 points in Florida.

It's becoming bigger. He's also at the highest point he's ever been at on Rasmussen. 52%. He's also only 10 behind in Texas. TEXAS.

I wouldn't trust that poll. There's no way he leads by 10 in Indiana.

I don't trust the Indiana poll. Big Ten hasn't been spot on, in fact, they've been erratic. But the Ohio polls are more or less a flag going up. That's two Pollsters, one a VERY good one and the other a below average one, giving Obama a double digit lead in Ohio. Indiana isn't gonna be blue by 10 points. But it's leaning blue by a couple at this point.

EDIT: Indiana is virtually tied on Real Clear Politics. If another pollster gives Obama a 2 point lead or so, it flips to Toss Up, but in Blue. Ohio is now a 6 point lead or so.

[Popeye_Card]

McCain is resting his hopes on instigating a "Joe the Plumber" voter uprising against the better-funded Obama by whipping up populist sentiment over Obama's comment to Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher that raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year would allow Washington to "spread the wealth around."

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McCain is doomed. The Wall Street bailout is making this a tough sell.

This is kinda funny. They're trying to strike fear of socialism into Joe the Plumber types. The exact types of people who should be happy that more money from the rich is being "spread around" to the middle and lower classes. But alas, that's SOCIALISM, so we should be scared of it because...well because it's socialism, and Russia is bad.