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BW23 wrote:Yeah, Bush really did what the right wanted.
Declared war on the world? Check

Made massive increases in defense spending? Check

Stripped away civil liberties? Check

Made extreme tax cuts? Check

Nominated conservative judges for the SCOTUS? Check

That's about as deep as the neo-con agenda gets, so yes, I'd say he did a pretty good job of doing what the right wanted. His approval ratings with Republicans is still good. Conclusion? Bush is a Republican success.
Yes, what people on the right believe and what most Americans believe are two different things. Yet, there's only been 8 years of a Democratic presidency in the last 28. This is the first time in that time they've thrown out a guy this close to the middle. I don't know any conservatives, true conservatives anyway, that were happy with this selection.
OK, but most Americans (the majority) voted for Algore and may have even voted for John Kerry, but we'll never know. Even greater majorities voted for Clinton. While Reagan was a superstar, it's likely that H.W. Bush won -- not because he was seen as a good choice -- but because of things like Willie Horton, Reagan and Michael Dukakis. And it's likely that W didn't win because he was seen as a good choice, but because his campaign had an unholy smear campaign against his opponent. It didn't take but one month into his second term for his fav/unfav to reach -3. Food for thought.
And those are really his only supporters. And it's mostly because of the fear of an Obama presidency. They picked a guy close to the middle, and the middle didn't work. It was stupid from the start.
You said yourself that this country has had 20 of 28 years of Republican presidencies which obviously means we are a nation of neo-cons. If this were truly the case, then it seems like the smartest people to ever live (Republicans) would've nominated Romney or Thompson or whatever plucky Reagan-esque candidate was left to reflect those conservative values.

Republicans did not nominate McCain because they feared an Obama presidency -- he was practically the nominee after Super Tuesday. Romney dropped out three days later. It took Obama until the middle of March before it became clear that he was going to be the nominee. So, if Republicans across the country were counting on Obama winning the nomination by Super Tuesday, that would mean they are clairvoyant.

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clement wrote:
maddash wrote:I'm tellin' ya. Palin is the future face of the neo-cons.
I hope you're right, but I don't think so.
I think he's right. We can probably count on Palin re-emerging in 2011 when she declares her candidacy for POTUS.

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I don't believe that the far right can be anything more than a supplement to a party. Most people I know, even religious people, are really turned off by the far right. No way a party can be centered around that and succeed. If I'm misjudging that, then I don't know or understand this country any longer. I do not consider Reagan and Bush I Republicans to be anywhere close to what the conservatives in the party are today. That may be where it started, but where that party was and where the neo-cons of today want the party to be are different places.

I agree with richie mostly, but I do think McCain's best chance was to be himself.

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GatewaySnayke wrote:
BW23 wrote:Yeah, Bush really did what the right wanted.
Declared war on the world? Check

Made massive increases in defense spending? Check

Stripped away civil liberties? Check

Made extreme tax cuts? Check

Nominated conservative judges for the SCOTUS? Check

That's about as deep as the neo-con agenda gets, so yes, I'd say he did a pretty good job of doing what the right wanted. His approval ratings with Republicans is still good. Conclusion? Bush is a Republican success.
Don't forget turning faith into a campaign issue, and channeling government funding whenever possible into "faith based initiatives" that curiously only seem to go to certain faiths.

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Palin as the Republican nominee would make me very happy. The Republican party needs significant independent support, and Palin is a liability to every voting bloc except the populist base of the party. Pretty much anyone would win in a walk over her.

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I can't wait to read the tell-all book about how the McCain campaign went crashing and burning after the Palin pick.

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I don't see how rotten, divisive candidates on either side would make this a better country. It would be quite depressing if Palin became the star of the Republican party, despite what it might mean for the Democratic party.

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Richie Allen wrote:I don't see how rotten, divisive candidates on either side would make this a better country. It would be quite depressing if Palin became the star of the Republican party, despite what it might mean for the Democratic party.
Count me as one that hopes she does not pursue it. I agree that she would be crushed, but that's not what I want. Once in my life I want to head into the last week of the campaign and still not know who I am voting for. I want the R's to get back to the center where I can relate. Form a 3rd party to represent the far right, bring the GOP back home.
General Powell wrote:I have some concerns about the direction that the party has taken in recent years. It has moved more to the right than I would like to see it

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