Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Michael]

Obama assassination plot thwarted: report

It won't be the last try, either.

And I think my job is stressful. I can't imagine being in his shoes.

Hopefully McCain will tone down his terrorist rhetoric.

[jim]

I'm perpetually amazed by the Republican party's ability to prod middle and lower class citizens to jump under the bus for the upper class.

The American Dream is still alive. We'll do anything to associate with the upper class.

Bam.

There was a great WSJ article hitting on this very point a couple of weeks ago, but my brain is too fried right now to remember who it was.

[BW23]

Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.

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I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.

You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.

95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.

There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).

What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.

Speaking as someone who was almost homeless 6 months ago because my parents couldn't afford to pay a double house payment and had two vehicles out on a title loan, I don't think having the wealth redistributed is such a bad idea. I guess helping the people who actually need help by cutting their taxes is too socialist and unAmerican to imagine.

I've got some bills that need paying too. I'll be expecting your check within the week. Thanks.

If I was making over 250,000 dollars a year, I'd be much less stingy about where my money goes. And if that means it goes to the family that has to eat chicken noodle soup every night for a week because they can't afford anything else, then consider me a commie.

What I heard in that video was an intellectual discussion about past failures and Obama's opinion that the courts would not become activists due to the impracticality of enforcing any laws appearing to be written by the courts. This was a discussion of constitutional interpretation not the Marxist boogieman you want to make it out to be.

If discussing opinions of constitutional intent has become frightening to you, then you missed the point of an open and free democratic society.

If I was making over $250,000/year, I'd be much less stingy about where my money goes. But I would want it to be my choice. Why should government decide who gets it? Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

I also heard that he's not in favor of less government. The Constitution has "constraints". He has an open road to more (and more and more and more) government.

[PujolJunkie]

Obama assassination plot thwarted: report

It won't be the last try, either.

And I think my job is stressful. I can't imagine being in his shoes.

Hopefully McCain will tone down his terrorist rhetoric.

And maybe Palin will start calling out people who yell stuff at her rallies.

Warning: Racist language.

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[BW23]

I'm perpetually amazed by the Republican party's ability to prod middle and lower class citizens to jump under the bus for the upper class.

Okay, so how am I jumping under the bus for the rich, then?

You just said not but a couple of pages ago that you'd save X amount of dollars under Obama's plan. And then you said "Ah well, I'm still not voting for him."

I've also said more than that that I don't believe him. He's given me no reason to believe him. None other than a plan that won't go into place.

[PujolJunkie]

Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.

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I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.

You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.

95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.

There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).

What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.

Speaking as someone who was almost homeless 6 months ago because my parents couldn't afford to pay a double house payment and had two vehicles out on a title loan, I don't think having the wealth redistributed is such a bad idea. I guess helping the people who actually need help by cutting their taxes is too socialist and unAmerican to imagine.

I've got some bills that need paying too. I'll be expecting your check within the week. Thanks.

If I was making over 250,000 dollars a year, I'd be much less stingy about where my money goes. And if that means it goes to the family that has to eat chicken noodle soup every night for a week because they can't afford anything else, then consider me a commie.

What I heard in that video was an intellectual discussion about past failures and Obama's opinion that the courts would not become activists due to the impracticality of enforcing any laws appearing to be written by the courts. This was a discussion of constitutional interpretation not the Marxist boogieman you want to make it out to be.

If discussing opinions of constitutional intent has become frightening to you, then you missed the point of an open and free democratic society.

If I was making over $250,000/year, I'd be much less stingy about where my money goes. But I would want it to be my choice. Why should government decide who gets it? Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

I also heard that he's not in favor of less government. The Constitution has "constraints". He has an open road to more (and more and more and more) government.

I'll say it again. It's called the tax system. All Obama is doing is reverting the tax rates to where they were when Clinton was in office. That isn't taking money from someone and giving it to someone else, that's changing the tax code. Why can someone not raise taxes and lower taxes without being considered a socialist? I'll ask once again; should we just abolish taxes so nobody is misinterpreted as an evil, socialist pinko?

[Popeye_Card]

Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

1.) I guess if you view paying taxes as "punishment", then you would be right. I don't view it that way.

2.) Isn't that what most churches stand for? Didn't Jesus tell a parable about the poor woman who gave all she had, vs. the rich man who merely gave his tithe?

[PujolJunkie]

BREAKING NEWS: MCCAIN A SOCIALIST

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Audience member: "Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor."

McCain: "I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more."

Audience member: "Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism?"

McCain: "Here's what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

[Popeye_Card]

I'm perpetually amazed by the Republican party's ability to prod middle and lower class citizens to jump under the bus for the upper class.

Okay, so how am I jumping under the bus for the rich, then?

You just said not but a couple of pages ago that you'd save X amount of dollars under Obama's plan. And then you said "Ah well, I'm still not voting for him."

Well, that's an easy mistake to make when you assume that someone is voting on the single issue you think they are. I've heard for years now that "middle America" is stupid for backing Republican candidates because their income bracket doesn't benefit from the right being in power. But in reality, middle America may be considering something other than taxes when voting. I know I am this election.

I understand that.

But I hear people in the middle and lower classes cry foul about "liberals" being unfair to the rich all the time. The Republicans tell them that a socialist is driving the bus, and they're happy to go run out in front of it for them.

[BW23]

Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

1.) I guess if you view paying taxes as "punishment", then you would be right. I don't view it that way.

2.) Isn't that what most churches stand for? Didn't Jesus tell a parable about the poor woman who gave all she had, vs. the rich man who merely gave his tithe?

I view paying taxes for certain programs a punishment, yeah.

Are you comparing his "church" to most churches? If so, that's probably not a good idea. Ever read about the theology behind Trinity?