And what you just described sounds exactly like what Obama had to do in order to get where he is today.
That wasn't a softball. It was an example how those that truly want to succeed can do so if they desire. I see far too many that abuse what's given to them and take advantage of the system and pass it on down the line. Maybe they should do what their savior did rather than relying on him to redistribute the wealth.
I have to say, I really don't get the singing thing. I'm certainly not okay with Hitler comparisons, but on the flip side he's just a man. Making Obama out to be some sort of savior or something more than a President gives me the creeps. We don't need saving, just competent intelligent leadership and good policy.
I've said it before, but Obama's willingness to indulge in this bugs me a little. The big stadium speech over in Germany for instance, and I do agree with BW about this comment:
Obama:The second thing my supporters understand, the day I'm inaugurated, this country looks at itself differently and the world looks at America differently. And if you believe that we've got to heal America and we've got to repair our standing in the world, then I think my supporters believe that I am a messenger who can deliver that message around the world in a way that no other candidate can do.
It's fine if people think this and I won't blame him for overzealous supporters, but for him to say it is too much. I'm okay if he's just boringly efficient.
Who else checks out women at church? I think I check out women at church more than any other place. I have time on my hands, I'm bored, and they are dressed nice.
If 20% believe in God or whatever bw quoted, I'm guessing the other 80% are doing this.
jim wrote:Who else checks out women at church? I think I check out women at church more than any other place. I have time on my hands, I'm bored, and they are dressed nice.
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I'm agnostic, so this is pretty much my only reason to go.
I've worked hard and took help of other people's taxes to get to where I am...I thank them and I feel it is my civic duty to pay my taxes to help those who work hard to get the same opportunities. I have no trouble paying more if I'm earning more. I love what I do and live within my means.
Now, one may argue that we could cut social programs out of taxes and let them rely on donations. What people forget is that this seems to work in times of economic bliss, but not during economic hardship. Some charities are finding it hard to keep their doors open because everyone is holding onto their cash, lately, even if you are considered "rich". Taxes, government grants, and social programs help prevent this...if run properly.
BW23 wrote:I don't think he's a savior, but I think there are many that do.
And yeah, I think the popularity of Christ is probably at an all-time low right now, and it wouldn't surprise me if Obama was more popular.
Last I heard, less than 20% of Americans go to church. I bet more than 20% of Americans love Obama.
So since over 20% of Americans love McCain is it ok if we brush him with that same broad stroke?
Out of curiosity, how many people have you talked to that stated that Obama was their savior?
I doubt if 20% love McCain. I still say the large majority of his supporters is because of who he isn't compared to who he actually is.
Just about every Obama supporter I've talked to thinks he'll save them from one thing or another....whether the bad economic times or war or whatever. I don't mean savior as in saving their life from an eternal standpoint. Only one can do that. But my gosh, his campaign is based on two words....hope and change. Anyone that clings to those words must see him as some type of savior.
