Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[docellis]

I'm sure I will in seven days. After that, the "I told you so's" will get old.

You are very confident about this. If you're wrong - will you do the opposite of smarmy i told you so's?

[haltz]

Wait, wrong about what in seven days?

[PujolJunkie]

Wait, wrong about what in seven days?

You don't know? Top priority plans for the Obama campaign right now are to change the American flag to all red, change the name of the American Eagle to the American Hammer and Sickle and to completely socialize everything. Like social security and medi-- .. oh wait.

[BW23]

I'm sure I will in seven days. After that, the "I told you so's" will get old.

You are very confident about this. If you're wrong - will you do the opposite of smarmy i told you so's?

I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong. I'd have problems with any that doesn't know when or how to.

[BW23]

Wait, wrong about what in seven days?

About Obama.

[JCShutout]

Wait, wrong about what in seven days?

You don't know? Top priority plans for the Obama campaign right now are to change the American flag to all red, change the name of the American Eagle to the American Hammer and Sickle and to completely socialize everything. Like social security and medi-- .. oh wait.

He does hate the flag though. He woulden't wear a flag lapel or flag boxors.

[PujolJunkie]

Suffolk: Nevada, 10/23-27 (9/17-21 in parenthesis)
Obama 50 (45)
McCain 40 (46)
Obama +5, McCain -6 = 11 point change in favor of Obama

[PujolJunkie]

New Hampshire -- NBC/Mason-Dixon Obama 50, McCain 39 Obama +11

Montana -- NBC/Mason-Dixon McCain 48, Obama 44 McCain +4

North Carolina --- NBC/Mason-Dixon, Obama 47, McCain 47 Tie

[KyCardinalFan]

Here's a humorous look at how irrational both sides' supporters have gotten.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... es-of-fear


The thing about these campaigns is they convince the people so much that they're bad for the country that people who don't bother to learn the actual plans irrationally, unwittingly spew the rhetoric. To me, it seems worse from the right talk show hosts because they blatantly lie, whereas the left pundits distort the truth, or spread it thin.

[cards2468]

I'm referring to taxes on small businesses. There's a difference between a small business and the wealthy. 1 is a business and the other is a person. Unfortunately some people don't understand this though.

Does your father's business make more than $250,000 in profit? If so, then he would be taxed higher. If not, then he would not. If his "small business" does make more than $250,000 in profit, he is one of the richer small business owners in the country. Does he pay taxes on his corporation through his personal income tax filing or does he file as a corporation? This might have an impact on any changes in his tax liability as well.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Vote2008 ... 995&page=1

There are 27.2 million small businesses in the United States, according to the Small Business Administration. Of those, only 6 million firms, or about 22 percent, had employees. The rest were sole propitiator companies, according to the government.

The vast majority of these companies earn less than $250,000 a year.

Most small businesses file individual tax returns. (The others file as corporations.) The Internal Revenue Service does not have detailed income information about which taxpayers are small-businessowners and which ones are employees. But the overall numbers show just how few Americans earn more than the Obama tax-hike threshold.

Most Small Businesses Earn Less

In tax year 2006, 138.4 million tax returns were filed by Americans. Only 2.9 percent -- a little more than 4 million tax filers -- reported earning more than $200,000. (The IRS does not have data for the $250,000 mark.)

Small-businessowners do tend to earn more than the general population but a majority of them still do not earn above $200,000 or $250,000.

The National Federation of Independent Business found that 14 percent of those surveyed earn $200,000 or more. Those who did tended to own larger businesses. For instance, of those with 20 to 249 employees, 32 percent earned $250,000.

Some small businesses do file corporation taxes. McCain has proposed cutting the top income tax rate for corporations from 35 percent to 25 percent.

Williams said that cut wouldn't help most small businesses.

"Only the biggest corporations would benefit from McCain's cut," he said.

On the healthcare issue for his plant in Ohio, he may have a legitimate concern. But it will be the same for all small businesses operating in the same competitive market. What Obama's plan would say is that the workers don't get to have that choice of either getting more pay or having that extra pay be put into their healthcare coverage. Some may think this is an infringement on their right to make their own decisions on what to do with their money. But I disagree. I assume some of the employees at that Ohio plant buy their own private health insurance (which is surely more expensive than whatever increase in salary they are receiving). But most probably just do without the insurance, which is irresponsible and winds up being a burden on taxpayers when that individual (or one of his/her family members) needs care for a catastrophic illness. Obama's plan would indeed make it more difficult for these larger small businesses to not provide healthcare coverage to their employees, although he softens the blow by giving a tax credit for doing so.

One of the biggest disadvantages that small businesses have in terms of competing for talent is their inability to provide health benefits to employees. The vast majority of working Americans who do not have health insurance are either owners, employees or dependents of small businesses. Obama's plan is an attempt to try and fix this problem.

By the way, McCain is also proposing a pretty ambitious plan to get more uninsured people on health insurance. His program will cost taxpayers a great deal of money as well, though it's not clear which of the two plans would cost more. McCain's may cost less to taxpayers, but if so, it probably costs people more in terms of deductibles and out-of-pocket payments for non-catastrophic treatments. I don't really have a problem with this approach, though I'd just prefer a fully socialized program that takes all incentives out of how people manage their own healthcare and focuses on just making sure that quality care and preventative services are available to all people who are responsible enough to take advantage of them.

They typically break even or worse, however they don't see the benefit of it until tax returns are handed out, until then they spend the year handicapped by it.

The Ohio branch is in Amish town, and it's my understanding many of his employees are Amish, which I don't believe seek out professional medical help for ailments. Why would they want health care then? Oh wait, EVERYBODY is supposed to have it