Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

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Flat tax is one thing. Fair is another. Fair is a subjective judgment. I don't consider a flat tax a fair tax.

But if you want a flat tax, unless you are in the highest tax bracket, you will likely be paying more taxes under a flat system.

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my sister told me the thought of Obama as president "Scares the hell out of her"

can someone explain this?

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omaha_red wrote:my sister told me the thought of Obama as president "Scares the hell out of her"

can someone explain this?
She's a racist.

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thrill wrote:
omaha_red wrote:my sister told me the thought of Obama as president "Scares the hell out of her"

can someone explain this?
She's a racist.
lol... only if his race is the reason it scares her.
In 2000, the thought of GW Bush as president scared the hell out of me. Today the possibility that Sarah Palin could become president scares the living [expletive] out of me.

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thrill wrote:
omaha_red wrote:my sister told me the thought of Obama as president "Scares the hell out of her"

can someone explain this?
She's a racist.
hmmmm... maybe..

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McCain already found a scapegoat?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073

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clement wrote:Flat tax is one thing. Fair is another. Fair is a subjective judgment. I don't consider a flat tax a fair tax.

But if you want a flat tax, unless you are in the highest tax bracket, you will likely be paying more taxes under a flat system.
You're right.

There is a belief that if we go to flat tax, then govt expenditures will magically go down and thus we all will pay lower taxes.
I don't buy it. The national tax burden will be the same regardless of the tax system. Its just a matter of who pays it and when.

We already have sales burdened by almost 8% tax in St. Louis just for state and local. The rate setting for national sales tax makes me leery.

I am curious about the sales tax method, but not sold on it. I do agree, with aspects of cleaning up the existing tax code. That involves some people giving up tax breaks (no no not MY tax breaks), and involves politicians giving up addiction to social engineering via tax policy ( both parties do it equally imo).

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InvincibleCakeEater wrote:McCain already found a scapegoat?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073
Here's the problem with all of that...
Also, a “top McCain adviser” told Mike Allen of Politico that Palin is “a whack job.”

Maybe she is. But who chose to put this “whack job” on the ticket? Wasn’t it John McCain? And wasn’t it his first presidential-level decision?
I'm not even remotely convinced that McCain "chose" Palin. I think the immense pressure to lock down the Republican base is what led him to choose Palin over his likely choice- Joe Lieberman. Obviously, McCain was not popular with the far right of the party- I don't think that's any secret- and he needed to do something to convince those people to get off their butts and into the voting booth. Ergo, Palin.

I guess it was his choice, but don't think for a second that it was his first choice or that he actually came to the conclusion that she was most qualified. He did what he felt was best for his campaign, which is what all candidates do.

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What is the argument that a tax on consumption is better than a tax on income?

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omaha_red wrote:my sister told me the thought of Obama as president "Scares the hell out of her"

can someone explain this?
My dad says the same thing.

Translation: "he's a librul commie socialist muslim terrorist who wants to take our jobs, liberties, freedoms, guns, monies, fetus' and right to hate homos -- also, he was born in kenya"

Basically my dad's thinking.

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