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Gray and Arenado with some pretty critical comments of the organization. Yikes.

dmarx114 wrote: ↑

September 25 25, 11:02 am

Gray and Arenado with some pretty critical comments of the organization. Yikes.

Do you blame them? They just went through an offseason where the only actual roster move was Phil Maton the week before spring training. When you only have so many seasons left, and you were promised by ownership that winning now was the priority, you'd absolutely feel snookered.

heyzeus wrote: ↑

September 25 25, 11:51 am

dmarx114 wrote: ↑

September 25 25, 11:02 am

Gray and Arenado with some pretty critical comments of the organization. Yikes.

Do you blame them? They just went through an offseason where the only actual roster move was Phil Maton the week before spring training. When you only have so many seasons left, and you were promised by ownership that winning now was the priority, you'd absolutely feel snookered.

well before this season/during last offseason, the FO did say it and did make it pretty clear they were cutting back.

everyone could have waived their NTC when they asked, and it was reported all 3 of Gray, Contreras, and Arenado refused to do so (arenado also said he would obv if it was the right situation, and then blocked the trade to Houston...but it was reported that contreras and gray would not even entertain waiving)

so I do not feel bad whatsoever for gray, as he was not mislead and could have been out of this situation, but refused

(and it pains me to be on the FO side of this, as...well [expletive] them, for what they've done the last few years...but they did make it clear we were taking a step back this year during the offseason)

Gray and Arenado make $57 million, let’s say the Cards have to eat $30 million of it to trade them

The Mikolas money goes to arbitration raises

That’s $27 million that likely won’t be spent after they cut payroll by $40 million last season

If the DeWitts thought attendance was down this season; go ahead and trade Arenado and Gray and run out a rotation of Liberatore, Pallante, McGreevy, Leahy and Matthews.

I would keep Gray. Maybe we are good.

If not, flip at the deadline.

Arenado is washed. Can't imagine saving much on that contract.

WAR God wrote: ↑

September 25 25, 9:21 am

Arenado and Gray…

Came here to win. And didn’t contribute to winning most of their tenure.

Arenado put up the highest WAR of his career in STL.

Right. One good year, one great year in Stl.

Been meh 60% of his time here

WAR God wrote: ↑

September 25 25, 3:45 pm

Right. One good year, one great year in Stl.

Been meh 60% of his time here

Don't think that's much of a surprise considering he played his age 30-34 years here.

Yeah I don’t feel like pitching is an area we need to (or even can) clear room for. Just keep him and trade the bats. If we happen to land something close to major league ready pitching in return, then maybe think about it.