Update: HOLLIDAY A CARD 7yr/120 million, p178

[clevername]

Another expert "source" weighs in:

Source: Holliday Won’t Get More Then $105 Mill

If this is true -

Demayo’s source went on to say that Holliday won’t get anywhere near $150 million dollars, as a matter of fact, he sees a 6 year $105 million dollar agreement as the max Boras could fetch for Holliday on the free agent market.

- then why would we not be a player?

because we're not a New York team and those are New York rumors. The only way he signs for that kind of money somewhere else is if the wants to play somewhere else. I would imagine we'd agree to that deal today.

[Radbird]

You're right, clever. I have to remember this is all made up crap. Who knows what Matt really wants or what's happening behind the scenes. We're only hearing uninformed speculation and what Boras wants us to hear.

[TheoSqua]

You're right, clever. I have to remember this is all made up crap. Who knows what Matt really wants or what's happening behind the scenes. We're only hearing uninformed speculation and what Boras wants us to hear.

Yeah you can tell that's NYY bias, the only mention of the Cardinals in that entire article is the Met's possibly ghanking another one of our FA players.

[Faceman]

If the Cardinals don't re-sign Holliday or lower payroll substantially, where are they going to spend all of that money?

In regards to your second paragraph, the Cardinals should, theoretically, get long-term help from 2 draft picks that Holliday will bring. So it's not like the Cardinals gave up Wallace for JUST two months of Holliday.

Just to play devil's advocate, will either of those draft picks have the upside of Wallace and how soon will they be Major League ready? Soon enough to keep Albert happy?

Of course, I'm not sure what Wallace's upside is. Can he become an adequate outfielder or is he, like Dunn, destined for 1B or DH?

I'm sure you didn't mean this, but if Brett Wallace had an Adam Dunn like hitting future, he would not have been traded as he was. They'd have found a place for him or a bigger haul.

I think Wallace is 100% replaceable.

[Eephus Speed]

I'm sure you didn't mean this, but if Brett Wallace had an Adam Dunn like hitting future, he would not have been traded as he was. They'd have found a place for him or a bigger haul.

I think Wallace is 100% replaceable.

I was talking about defense. If Wallace is Chris Duncan bad, that's tolerable. If he's Adam Dunn bad, he better be Albert Pujols with the bat. Or else he's destined to be a 1B/DH, and I won't be the least bit sorry he was traded for Holliday (or 2 draft picks).

[Faceman]

I'm sure you didn't mean this, but if Brett Wallace had an Adam Dunn like hitting future, he would not have been traded as he was. They'd have found a place for him or a bigger haul.

I think Wallace is 100% replaceable.

I was talking about defense. If Wallace is Chris Duncan bad, that's tolerable. If he's Adam Dunn bad, he better be Albert Pujols with the bat. Or else he's destined to be a 1B/DH, and I won't be the least bit sorry he was traded for Holliday (or 2 draft picks).

Then I disagree. If he's Adam Dunn at bat and Adam Dunn in the field, the Cards don't trade him like that. If he's hitting like that, they find a place for him or trade him for much more than a two month rental of Holliday.

[Eephus Speed]

Yep. Bay is pretty easily going to be the most overpaid free agent of this year IMO. Well, maybe Pineiro. But who knows, maybe he did completely reinvent himself.

I'd say Bay. Over the last 2 seasons, Bay has been worth 6.3 WAR (only 6.4 over the last 3 seasons). For comparison's sake, Holliday has been worth 11.8 WAR over the last 2 seasons (19.7 over the last 3 seasons). Mike Cameron has been worth 8.3 WAR over the last 2 seasons (10.5 over the last 3 seasons).

[Eephus Speed]

I'm sure you didn't mean this, but if Brett Wallace had an Adam Dunn like hitting future, he would not have been traded as he was. They'd have found a place for him or a bigger haul.

I think Wallace is 100% replaceable.

I was talking about defense. If Wallace is Chris Duncan bad, that's tolerable. If he's Adam Dunn bad, he better be Albert Pujols with the bat. Or else he's destined to be a 1B/DH, and I won't be the least bit sorry he was traded for Holliday (or 2 draft picks).

Then I disagree. If he's Adam Dunn at bat and Adam Dunn in the field, the Cards don't trade him like that. If he's hitting like that, they find a place for him or trade him for much more than a two month rental of Holliday.

I'm not suggesting he's Adam Dunn offensively. As I said, I don't know what his upside is offensively. JL's guess that he'll eventually develop into an .850 OPS hitter is as good of a guess as any, I suppose.

Anyway, if first base is covered and you play left field like Adam Dunn does, there's no finding a place for him. DH is the only option.

[fanforever]

[stlouie_lipp]

Scott Boras is just doing his job, i.e. get the most money for his clients that he can. A lot of people don't like him because he's good at it.