Coronavirus

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

To Leroy's point, there have been numerous stories on media sites that have, in my opinion, conveyed information in an inaccurate manner. Some of these issues can be seen in this thread. Rapid testing immediately comes to mind as does childrens multi inflammatory syndrome.

Obviously, there is a lot to digest and report on wrt Covid. Given the nature of it being a new virus, there are a lot of unknowns and not all facts can be verified prior to reporting as those facts will take years to prove. But, I find myself, overall, disappointed with the type of, imo, sensationalistic journalism and reporting that I've seen with, in some cases, very little respect to the actual truth.

And, it's been said before, but it bears repeating: one study, especially non-peer reviewed, is not gospel and shouldn't be interpreted as such.

What really irritates me more than anything are news stories that fear monger or downplay severity in an attempt to grab clicks from certain demos. There's tons of examples on both sides. And, both are equally disgusting, imo.

[Leroy]

To Leroy's point, there have been numerous stories on media sites that have, in my opinion, conveyed information in an inaccurate manner. Some of these issues can be seen in this thread. Rapid testing immediately comes to mind as does childrens multi inflammatory syndrome.

Obviously, there is a lot to digest and report on wrt Covid. Given the nature of it being a new virus, there are a lot of unknowns and not all facts can be verified prior to reporting as those facts will take years to prove. But, I find myself, overall, disappointed with the type of, imo, sensationalistic journalism and reporting that I've seen with, in some cases, very little respect to the actual truth.

And, it's been said before, but it bears repeating: one study, especially non-peer reviewed, is not gospel and shouldn't be interpreted as such.

What really irritates me more than anything are news stories that fear monger or downplay severity in an attempt to grab clicks from certain demos. There's tons of examples on both sides. And, both are equally disgusting, imo.

I agree.

[Jocephus]

not really unique to covid though eh? everybody points out articles they disagree/dislike for a variety of reasons and our president reinforces to never trust news so, that's just where we are as a society.

and further, imo, I'd say news orgs/entities should not be in the business of making a profit but that goes against our capitalist society so anything to drive clicks, views and advert dollars is all that matters. if i can get rich making you angry or scared and if that happens to further wedge society, i can do that and not be held accountable because free market!

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Interesting read on covid effects the brain
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... -the-brain

Thanks for posting, IMA.

Interesting that their theories of how/why the brain is affected all kind of align with what's being reported generally: viral load matters; the immune system can go haywire (cytokine or bradykinin storms); low oxygen/high stress on the organs leads to brain malfunction; and blood clots are causing strokes.

WRT blood clots, its especially interesting they mention the endolthelial system. I think we've talked about it in here, definitely in the covid 19 preparation thread, about how von willebrand factor is likely being released due to endothelial damage. These are like little ropes that aid in blood coagulation and are released when a cell is damaged....because usually you need to stop the bleeding. But when released internally they pose the risk of forming clots. To reiterate what I said in that thread, there's a simple supplement (NAC) that chemically breaks up von willebrand factors and also possibly aids the endothelial system if the system is damaged due to oxidative stress. We talked a little about that wrt to bradykinin and how bradykinin probably would relieve oxidative stress....so take that little connection fwiw.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

The lack of clarity from the CDC on rather the virus is spread 'airborne' or not is quite ridiculous.

I'm not going to post any links because I can't find any good ones.

To recap: The WHO originally said the virus wasn't airborne. So did the CDC. Some evidence mounted, the anecdotal evidence being quite convincing, and the CDC I think at one point said it was airborne. Then, they changed back and said it's not airborne.

I think you can pretty safely say there is a component of transmission related to airborne spread. But, in order for that to happen there needs to be a relatively large source of virus and/or poor ventilation. For instance, imo, if you have 20,000 people packed into the Enterprise Center and one person has it, the risk of airborne spread is pretty much non-existent. If you have that many people and 5,000 have it, there's a pretty high chance of airborne spread.

The anecdotal evidence with engineering/medical studies pretty strongly argue that it exists. Conversely, airborne viruses like the measles, tuberculosis, etc all have significantly higher R values (like 18) than sars-cov-2 (somewhere between 1-3). As such, I think you can pretty safely say airborne transmission exists but isn't the main source of transmission.

[Freed Roger]

not really unique to covid though eh? everybody points out articles they disagree/dislike for a variety of reasons and our president reinforces to never trust news so, that's just where we are as a society.

and further, imo, I'd say news orgs/entities should not be in the business of making a profit but that goes against our capitalist society so anything to drive clicks, views and advert dollars is all that matters. if i can get rich making you angry or scared and if that happens to further wedge society, i can do that and not be held accountable because free market!

At least they got a chance to make false equivalencies between the MEDIA!! spreading bad info like its same as GOP-US govt doing it with our tax dollars.

Peoples' reliance on media anecdotal stories and screaming headlines for their pandemic understanding has been lessening over time.** Plenty of people pull up the stat sites. stat sights its not fool-proof -sometimes need interpretation., but its what we all look at.

StL Post-Dispatch is mostly useless to me for covid info. Even for the latest on local closures and mandates. Maybe its helpful slightly on where to avoid- knowing the latest Parsons stupidity and encouraging fellow Trumpers to follow suit.

I guess some people home-bound scroll the 24/7 and internet for blazing headlines. Did my mother-in-law have some needless anxiety over Sturgis headlines.?

**an exception may be that story about the wedding in rural Maine attended by 65 people linked to now 8 deaths and 100s of cases.
is that one bogus too? Perhaps I haven't dug enough into the source data on the tracking like a good citizen should. Nevertheless, that is the story thats been shared with my family about the dangers. The one in Sturgis ? Not so much of a story that is relevant. - While those dudes sometimes end up in grocery stores and places where some loved ones of mine work etc -I think most people with sense know to avoid LARPing Trumper losers and the places they frequent

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

not really unique to covid though eh? everybody points out articles they disagree/dislike for a variety of reasons and our president reinforces to never trust news so, that's just where we are as a society.

and further, imo, I'd say news orgs/entities should not be in the business of making a profit but that goes against our capitalist society so anything to drive clicks, views and advert dollars is all that matters. if i can get rich making you angry or scared and if that happens to further wedge society, i can do that and not be held accountable because free market!

At least they got a chance to make false equivalencies between the MEDIA!! spreading bad info like its same as GOP-US govt doing it with our tax dollars.

Not sure I understand your point...

[IMADreamer]

I'm going to post something completely anecdotal but I wonder if some people have a built in immunity to coronavirus? Is that possible? I say this because my Dad has now been called by our local health department three times to quarantine because he was exposed to someone with the virus, and he has not come down with it yet. Thankfully. What's crazy is he has been really cautious. He has only gone to the store during the elderly hours, which is one of the times he got the call because the checker he used came down with it. Then our soil sample company came and Dad rode around in the truck with the new guy all day showing him the layout of the farm. A few days later another call that he was exposed to it because of that guy. The other incident was with a tech working on our equipment. Someone Dad hasn't gotten it yet. Hope he never does. It's just weird he keeps getting exposed and tests negative.

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

Scientifically, I think it's becoming more widely accepted that a certain portion of people have a natural immunity (or a very strong anti-covid response) prior to ever being exposed to the virus. That may come from exposure to sars-cov-1 (highly unlikely around here), exposure to similar coronaviruses (meh), or simply a strong innate arm of the immune system that kills the virus prior to it replicating. I think those are the three main vectors that could prevent the virus from replicating prior to becoming detectable or causing symptoms.

I'd link some of the studies, but to be honest I forgot where they are and they're probably already in the thread.

More along your line of thinking, though, Ima, and ignoring scientific studies, just think about all the viruses humans have survived in the past. Not to say viruses haven't killed a [expletive] load of people, they have. But, back before humans understood medicine ... or viruses in general, people would get them, assuredly more lethal ones existed than sars-cov-2, and huge chunks of the population managed to survive despite limited knowledge of how to avoid it and incredibly unhygienic conditions. The human body has been conditioned to fight viruses since the beginning of our species, and likely even before that. It's a trait that has been honed for probably millions of years. Sars-Cov-2, not to minimize it, is not exactly the deadliest virus ever encountered.

Is it really that difficult to believe that the immune system (namely, natural killer cells) in some amount of people can simply get rid of it without much trouble?

A counter point would be we've been conditioned to fight bacteria and are incredibly bad at it. But, we're dealing with a virus so ignore that point. Also, if your mom had it, perhaps your dad did as well and remained asymptomatic but has built up immunity to it that way.

[Freed Roger]

True, but the average person reads them and thinks, 'Oh my God!'

I'm in ND now, but had people talking about how the rally led to over 250,000 cases. Not might have, did.

those people are dumb. Better to have dumb people over-cautious by click bait media reports than following the cue of dumb [expletive] Trump and dumb [expletive] Governors like Mike Parsons of Missouri.