Scott Rolen for Troy Glaus (Update: Finalized!)

[Rieges]

I can't imagine that he wouldn't waive his NTC to play in the post-season. We could go back-and-forth on whether Rolen justified his salary in '07 for days and never agree.

I don't mind if you don't agree with me on Rolen's worth in 2007. It is what it is. He was a 3-win player including defense, and that's worth $12M.

What are you referring to exactly? winshares? WARP?

[If Glaus limits where he'll go (and he can decide whether he'll go where the team wants him to or not), his price as a half-year rental will be even lower. If he's having a big year, he'll be a bubble type A. I'd rather take the picks, and we'll essentially be paying $12M for those before bonus.

And under that scenario, gaining $12M in payroll flexibility.

Rolen is actually one of my favorite players but this is the right move.

Good, I was worried that it wasn't.[/quote]

I'm glad that I could ease at least one worry in your life. Good luck with the rest of them.

[EastonBlues22]

An article detailing some of Glaus' recent injury history:

ESPN.com

TORONTO -- Blue Jays third baseman Troy Glaus will undergo season-ending surgery next week to repair a nerve in his left foot, the latest blow in an injury-filled season that has also included accusations he received performance-enhancing drugs.

"The surgery is a nerve decompression surgery," general manager J.P. Ricciardi said. "He's going to have a consultation later this week, just to kind of get ready for it, then he's going to have the surgery Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday."

The surgery will be performed in Los Angeles by Dr. Phillip Kwong. Glaus will need to rest for about a month afterward but is expected to be healthy in time for spring training.

It has been a difficult month for Glaus, whose name surfaced in a report last week accusing him of receiving performance-enhancing drugs from a Florida pharmacy under investigation for illegally distributing prescription medications. Glaus has declined to comment on the report.

Ricciardi said he has spoken privately with Glaus about the accusations, but refused to discuss details of the conversation.

"That conversation was private, between he and I," Ricciardi said. "I'm not going to really share anything. I felt like what he told me is fine. It's not my place to pass judgment."

Glaus has been hobbled by a variety of foot and leg ailments throughout the season, including a painful heel condition called plantar fasciitis. He was placed on the 15-day disabled list on April 12, missing 14 games, then sat out games in May and August.

Ricciardi said Glaus visited Kwong while the Blue Jays were in California late last month and underwent a procedure to freeze the nerve in his foot, helping him to deal with the pain.

"It started in spring training," Ricciardi said. "He could play two weeks, and then you'd have to back him off, then he'd play two weeks, then you'd back him off. He just couldn't have a healthy season."

The news comes one day after the Blue Jays revealed that outfielder Vernon Wells will require offseason surgery to remove a cyst caused by a torn labrum in his left shoulder. Like Glaus, Wells is expected to be healthy in time for spring training.

A four time All-Star, Glaus led the AL with 47 homers in 2000 and was MVP of the 2002 World Series for the Anaheim Angels, then missed large stretches in 2003 and 2004 because of shoulder problems.

Glaus is batting .262 with 20 home runs and 62 RBIs in 115 games this season. He left Monday's game at Detroit in the second inning after experiencing pain while running the bases.

[haltz]

What are you referring to exactly? winshares? WARP?

A replacement player is about two wins below average. For a neutral offensive position* like 3B, that is +0 defense and about an 80 OPS+. An 89 OPS+ (-5.6 BtRuns) and +20 defense is a 3-win player. Just some quick math not based on junk stats.

And under that scenario, gaining $12M in payroll flexibility.

What? That's called a salary dump. Which is what you initially disagreed with right?

Anyway, per the ESPN article the option is guaranteed.

*Before someone asks, I should note that if he were [24+(-6)] 18 runs above average that would be a 4-win player, but I'm fudging that down a win since 3B are above average hitters with an average EQA of .269 not .262. Then there's the PT, but you get the point.

[Leroy]

This sounds like a great idea.

Glaus for Rolen. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

I just put on a Mets jersey.

[tenniseleven]

so what is the comparison between the shoulder surgery Glaus had and the shoulder surgery Rolen had...
maybe some of those with better medical knowledge can help me out...

I know Glaus had damage to his right shoulder while Rolen had damage to his left (not sure which is more critical for hitting, I would think the right shoulder would be more critical for a RH hitter, but I could be wrong)...


as far as I can tell Glaus had surgery to repair a frayed labrum and rotator cuff, whereas Rolen had a small tear in his labrum...

Glaus actually had to have surgery twice, right, after re-injuring his shoulder the season following his first surgery...

I guess the main question is whether his shoulder is also something to worry about, as is Rolen's (although Rolen's damage, I believe, was considerably more severe than Glaus's so I would think the concern would be higher)

[cards2468]

so what is the comparison between the shoulder surgery Glaus had and the shoulder surgery Rolen had...
maybe some of those with better medical knowledge can help me out...

I know Glaus had damage to his right shoulder while Rolen had damage to his left (not sure which is more critical for hitting, I would think the right shoulder would be more critical for a RH hitter, but I could be wrong)...


as far as I can tell Glaus had surgery to repair a frayed labrum and rotator cuff, whereas Rolen had a small tear in his labrum...

Glaus actually had to have surgery twice, right, after re-injuring his shoulder the season following his first surgery...

I guess the main question is whether his shoulder is also something to worry about, as is Rolen's (although Rolen's damage, I believe, was considerably more severe than Glaus's so I would think the concern would be higher)

after my right shoulder surgery i hit the same right handed and lost considerable control and power left handed

[tenniseleven]

just for a little perspective, Glaus was on pace for about 26 HR last year in 150 games...

given that was while dealing with injury, but it's also post-PED...

so are we content with that type of production (.480 slg, 25-30 HR, not a lot of doubles) out of our defensively average 3Bman?


at the least this trade will make watching next season a little more exciting, as watching a new player with decent potential almost always does...let's just hope we get to watch him for 140+ games...

[Leroy]

I think that as soon as they are done ripping my heart out, things will get better.

[haltz]

T11, what's the timeline on Glaus' injury history? I'm poking around, but you seem to have a good handle on the various ailments. [edit]Nevermind, it's at the end of that article.

I think that since he's kept up with his established level of performance since then I wouldn't worry about it. I have no medical knowledge to speak of, of course.

[tenniseleven]

the MV3 is officially done, I guess...

it was a great era in Cardinals baseball...

so many great moments, 3 great HOF level ballplayers...