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Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 18 11, 5:06 pm
by AWvsCBsteeeerike3
cards2468 wrote:vinsanity wrote:IMADreamer wrote:The Dow is down another 400 today. WEEEE
It's like a roller coaster.
roller coasters at least go back up and get you back to where you started
In case you didn't notice, it climbed back up north of 13K, no? Then came plummeting down as roller costers are wont to do.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 10:06 am
by Michael
An interesting article about our current woes.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 10:24 am
by Hungary Jack
It makes the salient points.
I know that fiscal austerity is the last thing we need right now with unemployment so high, but I am actually somewhat grateful to the Tea Party and S&P for bringing the whole federal spending issue to a head. It is easy to shoot the messengers, but I have been worried about our fiscal habits for better than 20 years. There really needs to be a meaningful policy discussion on this subject, even it means delaying policy decisions until employment rebounds.
A few things that really hit home:
Think of me as an angry moderate who's finally fed up with the lunacy and incompetence of our alleged national leaders -- and with people stirring up trouble from which they hope to benefit politically or financially
I called former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan the "Wizard of Oz" when he was known as the "Maestro."
We need more jobs, more growth, and more tax revenue. Note that I said more revenue, not higher rates. There are lots of proposals kicking around that would cut rates, eliminate the alternative minimum tax, and broaden the tax base by drastically reducing itemized deductions. Only about a third of taxpayers, primarily higher-income types, itemize deductions, so only they would be affected. Do this right, and you end up with more tax revenue from high-income people (which allows the "tax the rich" types to be happy) but lower rates (which lets the Tea Party folks claim victory). Making the system fairer should be doable.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 10:41 am
by Arthur Dent
It's a lot of bluster to come to a pretty milquetoast proposal. Especially one that completely fails to mention the most important issue driving long term deficits.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 10:44 am
by cards2468
I can't believe you just used the word "milquetoast"
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 2:07 pm
by planet planet
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 3:53 pm
by slide_into_first
Well solar stocks keep getting pounded the only exception being Solar Power SOPW which is going sideways which is a feat in itself. Another stock absolutely beaten to death for months is Clearwire CLWR and for some reason doubled this week from 1.50 to 3.00- I know they have a reputation for poor service, anybody know why they could be going up? I wouldn't necessarily buy CLWR here it could re-test the low 2's, but something scared the crap out of the shorts this week.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 4:35 pm
by Transmogrified Tiger
slide_into_first wrote:Well solar stocks keep getting pounded the only exception being Solar Power SOPW which is going sideways which is a feat in itself. Another stock absolutely beaten to death for months is Clearwire CLWR and for some reason doubled this week from 1.50 to 3.00- I know they have a reputation for poor service, anybody know why they could be going up? I wouldn't necessarily buy CLWR here it could re-test the low 2's, but something scared the crap out of the shorts this week.
There's rumors that Sprint will be buying them out.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 4:48 pm
by Freed Roger
Hungary Jack wrote:but I am actually somewhat grateful to the Tea Party and S&P for bringing the whole federal spending issue to a head. It is easy to shoot the messengers, but I have been worried about our fiscal habits for better than 20 years.
Yeah but don't you think it's more than a tad disingenuos? S&P obviously missed the boat on the ratings issue that mattered. And the Tea Party -well..more phony and queerer than a 3 dollar bill. I don't think you need me to provide examples. The fact that people are at least thinking about it now, I agree, is good. But it's a scam.
Re: Our financial system is crumbling this week.
Posted: August 19 11, 7:19 pm
by Hungary Jack
Freed Roger wrote:Hungary Jack wrote:but I am actually somewhat grateful to the Tea Party and S&P for bringing the whole federal spending issue to a head. It is easy to shoot the messengers, but I have been worried about our fiscal habits for better than 20 years.
Yeah but don't you think it's more than a tad disingenuos? S&P obviously missed the boat on the ratings issue that mattered. And the Tea Party -well..more phony and queerer than a 3 dollar bill. I don't think you need me to provide examples. The fact that people are at least thinking about it now, I agree, is good. But it's a scam.
I don't follow the Tea Party but I am amused by the antics of some of their standard bearers (ie Bachmann), as well as the amount of invective they incur from the left. It's like two neighbors who hate eachother screaming at eachother from their porches while the rest of street looks on and wonders what the [expletive] is going on between the two crazies at the end of the block.
I think it's more about shooting the messenger than the message nowadays.