Coronavirus

[Leroy]

I have known people that have gotten very sick from this damn thing. There are only three of us at my work. One of them lost a sister in law in Nevada today. He hasn't said much to me about it, and is gone for the day.

COVID can go to hell.

[GeddyWrox]

COVID can go to hell.

AGREED

[mikechamp]

I thought this might be interesting to all of you:

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug

Ivermectin has been called a Covid "miracle" drug, championed by vaccine opponents, and recommended by health authorities in some countries. But the BBC can reveal there are serious errors in a number of key studies that the drug's promoters rely on.

The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".

Major problems included:

The same patient data being used multiple times for supposedly different people
Evidence that selection of patients for test groups was not random
Numbers unlikely to occur naturally
Percentages calculated incorrectly
Local health bodies unaware of the studies

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

[GeddyWrox]

I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

LOL

[G. Keenan]

You mean Heartgard doesn't magically cure Covid?

[AdmiralKird]

$10 says Ivermectin as a treatment for Covid19 was funded by wealthy criminals looking to defraud the people claiming the vaccines were pharma fraud.

[GeddyWrox]

This is very interesting!


Breakthrough infections might not be a big transmission risk. Here's the evidence

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ansmission

Conventional wisdom says that if you're vaccinated and you get a breakthrough infection with the coronavirus, you can transmit that infection to someone else and make that person sick.

But new evidence suggests that even though that may happen on occasion, breakthrough infections might not represent the threat to others that scientists originally thought.

Ross Kedl, an immunologist at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, will point out to anyone who cares to listen that basic immunology suggests the virus of a vaccinated person who gets infected will be different from the virus of an infected unvaccinated person.

That's because vaccinated people have already made antibodies to the coronavirus. Even if those antibodies don't prevent infection, they still "should be coating that virus with antibody and therefore helping prevent excessive downstream transmission," Kedl says. And a virus coated with antibodies won't be as infectious as a virus not coated in antibodies.

Scant evidence for easy transmission of breakthrough infections
In Provincetown, Mass., this summer, a lot of vaccinated people got infected with the coronavirus, leading many to assume that this was an example of vaccinated people with breakthrough infections giving their infection to other vaccinated people.

"In all these cases where you have these big breakthrough infections, there's always unvaccinated people in the room," he says.

In a recent study from Israel of breakthrough infections among health care workers, the researchers report that in "all 37 case patients for whom data were available regarding the source of infection, the suspected source was an unvaccinated person."

It's hard to prove that an infected vaccinated person actually was responsible for transmitting their infection to someone else.

"I have seen no one report actually trying to trace whether or not the people who were vaccinated who got infected are downstream — and certainly only could be downstream — of another vaccinated person," Kedl says.

There's new laboratory evidence supporting Kedl's supposition. Initially, most vaccine experts predicted that mRNA vaccines like the ones made by Pfizer and Moderna that are injected into someone's arm muscle would generate only the kinds of antibodies that circulate throughout the body.

But that might not be the whole story.

"I think what was the big surprise here is that the mRNA vaccines are going beyond that," says Michal Caspi Tal, until recently an instructor at Stanford University's Institute for Stem Cell Biology and Regenerative Medicine and now a visiting scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

What Tal has found is that in addition to the circulating antibodies, there was a surprisingly large amount of antibodies in mucosal membranes in the nose and mouth, two of the primary entry points for the coronavirus.

[GeddyWrox]

I say this completely seriously and without any snark intended, but I do really wonder how CardinalKarp would respond to that.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I say this completely seriously and without any snark intended, but I do really wonder how CardinalKarp would respond to that.

I was thinking the same thing. I hope he's opened his mind a bit.

[heyzeus]

I say this completely seriously and without any snark intended, but I do really wonder how CardinalKarp would respond to that.

This is purely anecdotal, but while Delta has raged in Texas, I have been unwittingly exposed to Covid during indoors meetings twice, both times by a vaccinated person who was not masked. Both times everyone else in that room got tested, and nobody else was infected.