Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Socnorb11]

If he didn't mean it he's stupid. The crowd thought he was referring to her, and they ate it up.

As for the author of the political cartoons...yeah, he cited him AFTER the paper contacted them. Three times in four days. Tough getting new material I guess. I think it's funny...and I mean nothing partisan about that.

He didn't even use her name. He was talking about McCain's economic policy and referred to it as putting lipstick on a pig. To assert that he was talking about Palin just because she said she was a pitbull with lipstick or something is absolutely preposterous. So does this now mean nobody can ever use the term "Lipstick on a pig" again just because it might insult Sarah Palin? This is ridiculous.

And I don't seem to recall any story about the paper contacting them. And okay, so, he used the line once, maybe twice after it was pointed out to him by a friend, realized that it was from a WaPo article and immediately started sourcing it. Are we done grasping at straws? Can we PLEASE talk issues now or is that sexist, too?

Yes, the paper did contact them.

And yes, he was talking about Palin.

You'll believe any spin that camp throws out there.

"Spin" is taking what someone said and twisting it into a different meaning. That's what you're doing, not what we're doing. Obama said "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". He didn't say anything about Palin. You are "spinning" it into a Palin issue.

By the way, he followed it up with an anology about wrapping up a dead fish. So does that mean he was calling her a dead fish, too?

[JL21]

So help me God, if this whole lipstick/pig thing is the deciding factor in your decision to vote for one party or another, I will hunt you down and subject you to re-runs of Michael Moore movies, Clockwork Orange-style.

(not aimed at anyone in this thread... I'm just stunned by the sheer stupidity of this whole thing and that it might actually influence someone's vote)

[clevername]

hey, my mom wears lipstick. Does this mean Obama just called my mom a pig?

[AWvsCBsteeeerike3]

So help me God, if this whole lipstick/pig thing is the deciding factor in your decision to vote for one party or another, I will hunt you down and subject you to re-runs of Michael Moore movies, Clockwork Orange-style.

(not aimed at anyone in this thread... I'm just stunned by the sheer stupidity of this whole thing and that it might actually influence someone's vote)

++ That's how these politics threads usually turn out, from what I've seen. No one will listen, everyone just wants to prove themselves right.

Can we just say:

Obama may or may not have made a reference to Palin with the "pig on a lipstick" There is only one person who knows with 100% certainty and that is Obama. ANd, right now, he's in a position where no one will believe him if he tells the truth and no one will believe him if he doesn't. Regardless of what he says now or what anyone else says, it's open to interpretation. And, this argument could go on forever because there is no right or wrong answer; only that which you think may be right or wrong. You can type until your fingers fall off and won't change anything.

[Socnorb11]

So help me God, if this whole lipstick/pig thing is the deciding factor in your decision to vote for one party or another, I will hunt you down and subject you to re-runs of Michael Moore movies, Clockwork Orange-style.

(not aimed at anyone in this thread... I'm just stunned by the sheer stupidity of this whole thing and that it might actually influence someone's vote)

++ That's how these politics threads usually turn out, from what I've seen. No one will listen, everyone just wants to prove themselves right.

Can we just say:

Obama may or may not have made a reference to Palin with the "pig on a lipstick" There is only one person who knows with 100% certainty and that is Obama. ANd, right now, he's in a position where no one will believe him if he tells the truth and no one will believe him if he doesn't. Regardless of what he says now or what anyone else says, it's open to interpretation. And, this argument could go on forever because there is no right or wrong answer; only that which you think may be right or wrong. You can type until your fingers fall off and won't change anything.

What he said is what he said. We know what he said. Only those who want to try to twist it into something he DIDN'T say are going to drive themselves crazy. They can type all they want to, but it won't change the words that came out of his mouth.

And.....as JL said........ WHO CARES?!?! Palin started the lipstick references. If Obama did want to play on them, so what? It would be funny.

[ghostrunner]

Clearly, Obama was referring to Bristol Palin. Anyone who doesn't see that is nuts.


/joeybomb

[GatewaySnayke]

I was thinking about Hockey Pitbull Lipstick Mom's speech last night and thought of something funny.

As usual, she repeated the Republican mantra of "the government is not the answer; it's usually the problem." Then I finally realized that she was right. The government is NOT the answer to making college more affordable or making sure that people don't die of crappy health care. The government IS the answer to staying in $700 hotels.

I've always wondered what it's like to have no soul.

[indyredbird]

I think Obama was referring to Palin. It is pretty obvious to me, with the clip of her referring to lipstick and pitbulls played over and over again.

That being said, I really do not think it is a big deal or sexist, and I more than likely will vote for McCain.

[BW23]

If he didn't mean it he's stupid. The crowd thought he was referring to her, and they ate it up.

As for the author of the political cartoons...yeah, he cited him AFTER the paper contacted them. Three times in four days. Tough getting new material I guess. I think it's funny...and I mean nothing partisan about that.

He didn't even use her name. He was talking about McCain's economic policy and referred to it as putting lipstick on a pig. To assert that he was talking about Palin just because she said she was a pitbull with lipstick or something is absolutely preposterous. So does this now mean nobody can ever use the term "Lipstick on a pig" again just because it might insult Sarah Palin? This is ridiculous.

And I don't seem to recall any story about the paper contacting them. And okay, so, he used the line once, maybe twice after it was pointed out to him by a friend, realized that it was from a WaPo article and immediately started sourcing it. Are we done grasping at straws? Can we PLEASE talk issues now or is that sexist, too?

Yes, the paper did contact them.

And yes, he was talking about Palin.

You'll believe any spin that camp throws out there.

"Spin" is taking what someone said and twisting it into a different meaning. That's what you're doing, not what we're doing. Obama said "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". He didn't say anything about Palin. You are "spinning" it into a Palin issue.

By the way, he followed it up with an anology about wrapping up a dead fish. So does that mean he was calling her a dead fish, too?

You're taking what Obama's explanation for what he said as truth. His explanation is the spin here.

And, he followed the pig comment with something about and "old" fish. Not a dead one.

First lipstick on a pig. Then an old fish.

Nah, you're right. That's just policies. It's not a woman who just talked about lipstick less than two weeks ago and the old guy she's running with. Obama starts how McCain says he's about change. He then uses the lines from the cartoon. Very light applause. Very light. When did McCain start with the change mantra? When Palin came aboard. After the cartoon lines, he immediately goes into the pig comment. He just got done saying that there wasn't change in the policies. "That's just calling something the same something different." No reaction from the crowd at all. Even if he's referring to the policies, the way they're dressing it up or making it look different is with Palin.

"You can put lipstick on a pig..." with a nice pause because of all the laughter and clapping. Why were the laughing? Why did he pause for laughter and cheering before finishing the sentence?

Now, the fish comment wasn't about dead fish. It was this.

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

So, McCain's old, and he's trying to go with the change mantra now.

Like I've said before, and I'll say again. The comment doesn't bother me. If he meant that it was about policy. Fine. I don't believe that, but it doesn't bother me either way.

But it was a stupid comment to make, and he shouldn't get upset with anyone but himself. Even if someone in his camp suggested using it, it's like a pitcher giving up a homerun and blaming the catcher for calling for that pitch. You always have the option to shake him off.

[Socnorb11]

I think Obama was referring to Palin. It is pretty obvious to me, with the clip of her referring to lipstick and pitbulls played over and over again.

So who do you think he was referring to when he talked about wrapping a fish in paper?