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Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 7:39 am
by Freed Roger
Jocephus wrote:heres obama on letterman:

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I'm bumping these up. Great links. Amidst all the hoopla and soundbites of this campaign, its good to actually hear what a candidate has to say, philosophies etc. He'd do a fine job as president.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 7:40 am
by BW23
Socnorb11 wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:Folks, the YouTube effort is commendable, but some of us either can't listen or can't watch during our working hours. If you could "summarize" the YouTube links, that would be great. Thanks!

While I don't think Palin said anything "damning" during her interview, I think it probably hurt her more than it helped her. She seemed "flawless" in her convention speech. The Gibson interview clearly shows that she's pretty weak in some areas, and not quite as "eloquent" as most people probably originally thought. More and more, I think she'll struggle in debates, especially on real issues.
I agree with you here, though she does seem quick on her feet and able to deflect questions.

Though, like in the convention speech, she seems to get pissed momentarily. The constant "Charlie" thing is annoying. I don't think she came off very well, and the Bush doctrine question wasn't good. Though again, I don't think the average voter is going to penalize her on that. The Bush doctrine is fairly muddy anyway. I'm still not sure I get it. It sort of says when imminence is imminent, then we can attack. But then there's also the whole thing about terrorists and those who harbor them, which came from Afghanistan.
I don't know what the Bush Doctrine states, but I'm not campaigning to be a heartbeat away from the highest office in the world. I didn't think she "muddled" her way through that question very well. I thought she had a "deer in the headlights" look, and then spewed out some nonsense that had little or nothing to do with what he was asking her about. Gibson ultimately explaining the whole thing to her was a bit embarrassing, in my opinion.

It wasn't a disasterous exchange, but it clearly showed that she's pretty weak on some issues. Definitely not the rock-solid specimen that we saw at the convention. She's going to have to do much, much better if she's going to maintain the strong image that she's portrayed to this point.
The VP debates should make for great entertainment. And I don't mean that in a way of looking at the issues either.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 7:41 am
by cardsfansince82
I honestly think once the newness wears off the GOP might end up regretting the choice of Palin.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 7:46 am
by Socnorb11
BW23 wrote:
The VP debates should make for great entertainment. And I don't mean that in a way of looking at the issues either.
I agree, they're both pretty polarizing candidates.

I disagree about the issues, though. I think it's important to hear where they both stand on the issues.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 7:54 am
by Socnorb11
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_ ... _interview
FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska - Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's assertion that she believes humans play a role in climate change — made in her first major interview since joining the Republican ticket — is at odds with her previous statements.


Palin said she didn't disagree with scientists that the problem can be attributed to "man's activities."

"Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that," Palin told ABC News in an interview broadcast Thursday and Friday.

However, in the past Palin has said she does not believe global warming is caused by human activity. She has told the Internet news site Newsmax, "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. ... I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."

In an interview with a Fairbanks newspaper within the last year, Palin said: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." ABC cited the interview as being at odds with her statement.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has said humans have caused climate change.

In the ABC interview, Palin said she believes that "man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. ... Regardless, though, of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet — the warming and the cooling trends — regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it."

Palin also said that while she had not met any foreign heads of state, many other vice presidents may not have, either. However, the vice presidents who have served since 1977 — George H.W. Bush, the former ambassador to China and CIA director; Dick Cheney, chief of staff for President Ford and defense secretary for Bush; and Sens. Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle and Gore — likely would have met heads of state and other foreign leaders because of their extensive experience in the federal government.

Questions about Palin's knowledge of foreign policy dominated the interview with ABC's Charles Gibson. Palin repeated her earlier assertions that she's ready to be president if called upon, yet she sidestepped questions on whether she had the national security credentials needed to be commander in chief.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has defended his running mate's qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.

Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin told Gibson, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Palin, 44, has been Alaska's governor for less than two years and before that was a small-town mayor. Asked whether those were sufficient credentials, Palin said: "It is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues."

She said she brings expertise in making the country energy independent as a former chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 8:09 am
by BW23
Socnorb11 wrote:
BW23 wrote:
The VP debates should make for great entertainment. And I don't mean that in a way of looking at the issues either.
I agree, they're both pretty polarizing candidates.

I disagree about the issues, though. I think it's important to hear where they both stand on the issues.
I don't mean that the issues aren't important. I just meant from a pure entertainment standpoint, it should provide quality like we've never seen. The curiosity surrounding her, and the curiosity surrounding anything that might come out of Biden's mouth....those things alone make it a must-see event. There will be plenty of fodder for both sides...if not laughter.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 8:53 am
by clevername
Republican presidential candidate John McCain has defended his running mate's qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.
I really cannot believe they keep trotting this weakest of weak arguments out. On top of that, I can't believe the media is able to report it with a straight face.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 8:54 am
by sighyoung
BW23 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
BW23 wrote:
The VP debates should make for great entertainment. And I don't mean that in a way of looking at the issues either.
I agree, they're both pretty polarizing candidates.

I disagree about the issues, though. I think it's important to hear where they both stand on the issues.
I don't mean that the issues aren't important. I just meant from a pure entertainment standpoint, it should provide quality like we've never seen. The curiosity surrounding her, and the curiosity surrounding anything that might come out of Biden's mouth....those things alone make it a must-see event. There will be plenty of fodder for both sides...if not laughter.
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Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 8:56 am
by Hudler
clevername wrote:
Republican presidential candidate John McCain has defended his running mate's qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.
I really cannot believe they keep trotting this weakest of weak arguments out. On top of that, I can't believe the media is able to report it with a straight face.
Some people will notice that it is more experience than Obama has with the military. Kinda silly,I know,but it will happen.

Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin: The Thread

Posted: September 12 08, 9:50 am
by GatewaySnayke
My problem with McCain admitting that global warming is man made and something needs to be done about it is that his solutions are teh suck. His call for a bevy of nuclear power plants is a scary one.