Mozeliak: "Some Changes" Coming For Cardinals, But Not A Rebuild

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Where was this energy last offseason? Or the offseason before that?
It finally bit them this season. Both times they should have, but the team was able to stay afloat until the trade deadline so they could bring in reinforcements. They kept poking the bear until it mauled them.

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I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
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I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
What does that have to do with Montgomery?

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Socnorb11 wrote:
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I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
2019: 3.67 ERA, 3.13 FIP
2020: 3.32 ERA, 4.19 FIP
2021: 2.69 ERA, 3.32 FIP
2022: 3.99 ERA, 3.82 FIP

2019 and 2021 were very good years, 2020 was a short season so it's hard to judge, 2022 was solid.

I'm wary of him because he turns 37 next year and I prefer to go after someone younger, but I wouldn't be mad Lynn. He just can't be their big pitching acquisition.

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Magneto2.0 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:41 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:28 pm
I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
2019: 3.67 ERA, 3.13 FIP
2020: 3.32 ERA, 4.19 FIP
2021: 2.69 ERA, 3.32 FIP
2022: 3.99 ERA, 3.82 FIP

2019 and 2021 were very good years, 2020 was a short season so it's hard to judge, 2022 was solid.

I'm wary of him because he turns 37 next year and I prefer to go after someone younger, but I wouldn't be mad Lynn. He just can't be their big pitching acquisition.
Pujols and Molina were last year and Waino this year. We need someone to have a farewell retirement season in 2024.

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Feels like Carlson will be gone soon

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haltz wrote:
July 17 23, 5:39 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:28 pm
I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
What does that have to do with Montgomery?

Nothing, necessarily.

In my previous post I was just wondering what you've gained by trading Montgomery, and acquiring Lynn. The answer, I guess, is $$$.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:51 pm
haltz wrote:
July 17 23, 5:39 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:28 pm
I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
What does that have to do with Montgomery?

Nothing, necessarily.

In my previous post I was just wondering what you've gained by trading Montgomery, and acquiring Lynn. The answer, I guess, is $$$.
Lynn is under control next year. Club option so you can keep him if you want and have one less spot to fill. Again they need three pitchers so that doesn't exactly stop you from signing Monty on the open market if you can.

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CardsofSTL wrote:
July 17 23, 5:43 pm
Magneto2.0 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:41 pm
Socnorb11 wrote:
July 17 23, 5:28 pm
I just don't see much point in trading for Lynn. In the last 4 years, he's had 1 year where I feel like he was more than just ordinary. If you're just looking for warm bodies, wait until the off-season, unless they're just giving away Lance Lynn at the deadline.
2019: 3.67 ERA, 3.13 FIP
2020: 3.32 ERA, 4.19 FIP
2021: 2.69 ERA, 3.32 FIP
2022: 3.99 ERA, 3.82 FIP

2019 and 2021 were very good years, 2020 was a short season so it's hard to judge, 2022 was solid.

I'm wary of him because he turns 37 next year and I prefer to go after someone younger, but I wouldn't be mad Lynn. He just can't be their big pitching acquisition.
Pujols and Molina were last year and Waino this year. We need someone to have a farewell retirement season in 2024.
Right.

Acquiring Lynn doesn't really change much of anything. It's just continuing the cycle in my opinion. You can't keep cobbling together a staff from year to year.

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Lynn would be a serviceable starter to fill out the back end of the rotation after you've added a big arm. We will see if the Cardinals decide to add a big arm.

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