MLB Off-season 2025-'26 (Cardinals)

[mikechamp]

Keep waiting for the position player version of this trade.

I keep waiting for them to sign a SP. I mean, can they get one guy who has a >50% chance of giving 5 or more quality innings each start?

hey, if the Dick Fitts, right?

I just have a suspicion that he's going to come up... short.

[sighyoung]

Keep waiting for the position player version of this trade.

I keep waiting for them to sign a SP. I mean, can they get one guy who has a >50% chance of giving 5 or more quality innings each start?

hey, if the Dick Fitts, right?

I just have a suspicion that he's going to come up... short.

Let's just hope he's the real deal.

[phins]

So we traded a younger pitcher with better numbers for an older pitcher (by a year) with worse numbers and no options

Neither guy is going to make a difference, so whatever…but don’t understand the logic on this one

Yeah, there has to be something here. Because on paper it doesn't make sense.

Bet on stuff. Soriano is a talent who can actually stick if they find usable command.

Granillo is a trick pitch guy who didn't look like he would survive in the majors no matter the tweaks. He was a DFA Candidate, just like Soriano is.

But what stuff? According to baseball savant Granillos stuff is better except for the FB and that’s only a 1 mile diff at 94.6 vs 95.7

Granillo has a 71 Stuff+ on his fastball. That is really poor. He has one major league pitch (slider) that is a 113 Stuff+. Hence me calling him a gimmick pitch guy.

Flip side is that Soriano has multiple 100+ pitches in his sinker, slider, changeup. His new kick change gets a 144 Stuff+.

Over the past year, one area the Cardinals have been strong in their development is in teaching a kick change to their arms and improving changeup usage. Several of their pitchers have added one, or improved their existing changeup markedly under this development staff.

I'm not saying Soriano is going to be good, I called him a DFA candidate, but he's a better collections of tools with more than one plus pitch, whereas Granillo is entirely slider dependent at this point. That's the rationale that my analysis takes me to.

[TGantz]

So we traded a younger pitcher with better numbers for an older pitcher (by a year) with worse numbers and no options

Neither guy is going to make a difference, so whatever…but don’t understand the logic on this one

Yeah, there has to be something here. Because on paper it doesn't make sense.

Bet on stuff. Soriano is a talent who can actually stick if they find usable command.

Granillo is a trick pitch guy who didn't look like he would survive in the majors no matter the tweaks. He was a DFA Candidate, just like Soriano is.

But what stuff? According to baseball savant Granillos stuff is better except for the FB and that’s only a 1 mile diff at 94.6 vs 95.7

Granillo has a 71 Stuff+ on his fastball. That is really poor. He has one major league pitch (slider) that is a 113 Stuff+. Hence me calling him a gimmick pitch guy.

Flip side is that Soriano has multiple 100+ pitches in his sinker, slider, changeup. His new kick change gets a 144 Stuff+.

Over the past year, one area the Cardinals have been strong in their development is in teaching a kick change to their arms and improving changeup usage. Several of their pitchers have added one, or improved their existing changeup markedly under this development staff.

I'm not saying Soriano is going to be good, I called him a DFA candidate, but he's a better collections of tools with more than one plus pitch, whereas Granillo is entirely slider dependent at this point. That's the rationale that my analysis takes me to.

Thank you for making sense of this trade. It looks really bad on paper, because his strike out numbers were awesome in the minors. But it makes sense that he could dominate with one and a half good pitches throughout the minors but would get exposed without a decent fastball against MLB hitters.

In Bloom I trust... so far.

[go birds]

i dunno why the cardinals havent signed littell...180 IP are just sitting right there, waiting to be had

[cardsfantx]

i dunno why the cardinals havent signed littell...180 IP are just sitting right there, waiting to be had

he's not good at all at striking guys out...and they seem to be really trying to get away from the pitch to contact philosophy and focus on guys who can strike people out for people they bring in it appears

bloom has only said he's looking for a bat, so guessing we're rocking what we have in the rotation.

my bet to open spring training is, May, Liberatore, McGreevy, Fitts...and they said they wanted to give Leahy a shot in the rotation (even though he's always been awful throughout his entire professional career starting), but if he falters you still have pallante. Dobbins is the obv favorite here before those guys, but he's still TBD with his injury so I guess we should hear shortly on their plans for him

[jagtrader]

Looks like getting that right-handed hitting outfielder was too tall of a mountain to climb.

[CardsofSTL]

Looks like getting that right-handed hitting outfielder was too tall of a mountain to climb.

Don't worry Goold has the cover story for that all ready

[TGantz]

I like Saggese as an IF bench option but I have no interest in watching him in the OF. Fermin hits for average but no power either. There shouldn't be room for both Saggese and Fermin, gotta be one or the other. If I'm going to watch poor defense, I'd rather watch Velaquez have a chance to find his power stroke.

[sighyoung]

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