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Jocephus wrote:

heyzeus wrote:Please click through this primer on tonight's VP debate. Do it. You will be happier if you do.

http://www.236.com/news/2008/10/01/deba ... 1_9211.php

that was good...it was like those baseball player IM's

I actually started one of those, only a political version. Spitting image. Without the IM box border. /off topic

Rasmussen has Obama 51, McCain 44. That's the largest lead ever held by Obama vs McCain via Rasmussen Reports.

Daily Tracking:

Rasmussen - Obama 51, McCain 44 (O +7)
Gallup - Obama 48, McCain 43 (O +5)
R2000 - Obama 51, McCain 40 (O +11)

Wow. The same state that had Obama trailing by 20 about two weeks ago.. Rasmussen:

North Carolina - Obama 50, McCain 47 (O +3)

Democracy Corps(Democratic pollster, low weight):

Ohio - Obama 49, McCain 43 (O +6)

It does seem in line with other projections though.

Survey USA:

New Mexico - Obama 52, McCain 44 (O +8)

Public Policy Polling(PPP):

Michigan - Obama 51, McCain 41 (O +10)

Morning Call (Penn. Daily Tracker):

Pennsylvania - Obama 50, McCain 41 (O +9)

Apparently, the first debate had more impact than some thought it would. I couldn't believe it when I heard people calling it a tie or saying that nothing would change because of it. I had to wonder if they were watching the same debate as me.

Either that or the idiocy of Palin is affecting the numbers. It's widely believed that the VPs don't typically have much impact on the outcome of the election but I wonder if McCain's picking her is now more widely being viewed as poor judgment on his part.

Richie Allen wrote:Apparently, the first debate had more impact than some thought it would. I couldn't believe it when I heard people calling it a tie or saying that nothing would change because of it. I had to wonder if they were watching the same debate as me.

Either that or the idiocy of Palin is affecting the numbers. It's widely believed that the VPs don't typically have much impact on the outcome of the election but I wonder if McCain's picking her is now more widely being viewed as poor judgment on his part.

Polling right now is being affected by the financial crisis. Palin and the debate is small potatoes. I don't know how or why, but the banking crisis is helping Obama right now.

Fat Strat wrote:

Richie Allen wrote:Apparently, the first debate had more impact than some thought it would. I couldn't believe it when I heard people calling it a tie or saying that nothing would change because of it. I had to wonder if they were watching the same debate as me.

Either that or the idiocy of Palin is affecting the numbers. It's widely believed that the VPs don't typically have much impact on the outcome of the election but I wonder if McCain's picking her is now more widely being viewed as poor judgment on his part.

Polling right now is being affected by the financial crisis. Palin and the debate is small potatoes. I don't know how or why, but the banking crisis is helping Obama right now.

That's the Clinton effect, Reagan was able to capture the economic vote in the 80s then Bush I ruined it, Clinton takes office and is credited with rebounds in the economy, Bush takes office and during his tenure and it's obvious the last 16 years have shifted the public's views as far as who would be better in an economic crisis while the GOP still has security and cultural issues as their strongpoint.

I agree that the financial crisis is having the biggest impact, but I think the Palin stuff is having a sizeable impact, as well.

I don't think the debate did much to change things either way.

Fat Strat wrote:I don't know how or why, but the banking crisis is helping Obama right now.

The fundamentals of the economy are strong.

-John McCain

It's helping because Obama seems to be saying the right things.

Fat Strat wrote:

Richie Allen wrote:Apparently, the first debate had more impact than some thought it would. I couldn't believe it when I heard people calling it a tie or saying that nothing would change because of it. I had to wonder if they were watching the same debate as me.

Either that or the idiocy of Palin is affecting the numbers. It's widely believed that the VPs don't typically have much impact on the outcome of the election but I wonder if McCain's picking her is now more widely being viewed as poor judgment on his part.

Polling right now is being affected by the financial crisis. Palin and the debate is small potatoes. I don't know how or why, but the banking crisis is helping Obama right now.

You don't know why the polls are favoring Obama recently but you're certain that my ideas are wrong.

From what I heard, a lot of Obama supporters felt he didn't do that well. I thought it was a toss-up. McCain came off condescending and annoyed at times, but overall I thought he did pretty well. He also looked sharper than I've seen him in a while.

I think it's the economy, then Palin, then maybe the debate but I don't think it had much effect at all.

clevername wrote:I agree that the financial crisis is having the biggest impact, but I think the Palin stuff is having a sizeable impact, as well.

I don't think the debate did much to change things either way.

I think Palin also is having a sizeable effect. As people get to know her, I think people see the move was a cheap parlor trick. "McCain First" is what I think many are seeing in that move. I have no doubt that without the economic news Obama would have pulled out to a small but real lead.

All of this is my humble opinion of course.