GatewayRedbirds.com

A good column on the devolution of McCain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7663091.stm

I'm not sure what to expect with next week's debate - half the GOP is begging McCain not to go down this path with Ayers - it looks moronic to do in light of the biggest economic crisis in 80 years, not to mention the foreign policy scenarios.
The other half are like those in the Jocephus' video links - they are getting pissed at McCain for not ramping up the personal attacks on Obama even more.

...then you've got Obama and Biden out on the trail, and they are almost goading McCain to try to say this crap to Obama's face next week, and assuming that if he does it would be like Jack Nicholson's character going ballistic on the stand in "A Few Good Men". ...it would appeal to a base that needs no more appealing to, but in the rest of the country's eyes it would be a complete McCain meltdown, while Obama plays it cool/safe

this next debate - it probably won't be as boring, but could be sad to watch McCain IMO.

heyzeus wrote:

Socnorb11 wrote:

JL21 wrote:

indyredbird wrote:No my point is that with the Democrats hatred of Bush and blaming him for everything, I find it funny how they say McCain is the same, but actually wanted him as their Vice President.

That's a pretty gross generalization. One time for 3 seconds on CNN, they said that Kerry was considering McCain as a running mate does not = every democrat wanted McCain as Kerry's running mate.

Not only that, but McCain isn't exactly the same guy that he was 4 years ago.

++. To get the nomination and the base, McCain has had to (at least publicly) take positions more in line with Bush doctrine. 4 years ago he was pro choice, or at least not in favor of stocking the court to overturn Roe v. Wade. Now, he is pro life and wants the decision overturned.

4 years ago McCain said that the ultra right wing pastors who tell politicians what to do were forces of evil. Now, he does photo ops hugging Hagee, etc.

Running for President will do that to you, it seems. McCain has basically sold his soul, and all he'll have to show for it is the claim that he once ran for President.

I see McCain the Republican nominee as the "rebound relationship" that comes in the wake of a failed romantic relationship. W Bush has been such a disaster that he has left a terrible taste in the mouth of a huge portion of the middle electorate. McCain isn't "The One", but he looked OK enough and stumbled into the right place at the right time to be the transition person. He'll get used up and discarded shortly.

PujolJunkie wrote:There's two sets of polls there from Quinnipac, as you've noticed.

One poll is pre-debate. One poll is post-debate.

FLORIDA: Obama 51 – McCain 43 post-debate (O +8)
OHIO: Obama 50 – McCain 42 post-debate (O +8)
PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 54 – McCain 39 post-debate (O +15)

I'm sorry, this is over now.

I think I heard some Cubs fans saying that, just before the NLDS.

jimedmondsfan wrote:

PujolJunkie wrote:There's two sets of polls there from Quinnipac, as you've noticed.

One poll is pre-debate. One poll is post-debate.

FLORIDA: Obama 51 – McCain 43 post-debate (O +8)
OHIO: Obama 50 – McCain 42 post-debate (O +8)
PENNSYLVANIA: Obama 54 – McCain 39 post-debate (O +15)

I'm sorry, this is over now.

I think I heard some Cubs fans saying that, just before the NLDS.

++

It ain't over yet.

McCain had to move to the right to secure his base. Typically candidates have their base and then move to the center.

indyredbird wrote:McCain had to move to the right to secure his base. Typically candidates have their base and then move to the center.

I still don't understand how McCain won the primaries. His transparency was obvious. And, now republicans are pissed because he's too moderate. Pretty much ruined my faith in the intellience of the right.

pop_haines wrote:

indyredbird wrote:
No my point is that with the Democrats hatred of Bush and blaming him for everything, I find it funny how they say McCain is the same, but actually wanted him as their Vice President.

Indy, tell me you aren't plenty peeved with Bush, too. Darn right I hate him.
He's driven this country into the ground.

Yes Bush has made some blunders, but he has had tons of help from both parties in taking it there.

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
I still don't understand how McCain won the primaries. His transparency was obvious. And, now republicans are pissed because he's too moderate. Pretty much ruined my faith in the intellience of the right.

IMO - Romney is a Mormon- I'm not sure the base could figure out what to do with that concept.
Huckabee was probably the right candidate for this GOP taste, but was too late on the scene.

I loved Huckabee, as people have probably noticed. If you can get past his social views which many liberals wouldn't, his ideas are great and, imo, what America needed. No answer he gave was typical Repub bull [expletive] other than his view on the war. (And imo what cost him was this line "I won't let the needs of Wall Street Republicans trump those of Wal-Mart Republicans" as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh about [expletive] themselves bashing him after that) His energy views rivaled those of Obama's and his economy views were simply outstanding, if you believe a consumption tax with rebatesto offset costs for the poor and middle class would work, which I did after talking to him a couple times.

He made a few mistakes (like big ones) that would have made this campaign ugly, but living in AR, I saw what he did for the state, and it was impressive to saythe least.

/Huckabee commercial-love affair

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:I loved Huckabee, as people have probably noticed. If you can get past his social views which many liberals wouldn't, his ideas are great and, imo, what America needed. No answer he gave was typical Repub bull [expletive] other than his view on the war. (And imo what cost him was this line "I won't let the needs of Wall Street Republicans trump those of Wal-Mart Republicans" as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh about [expletive] themselves bashing him after that) His energy views rivaled those of Obama's and his economy views were simply outstanding, if you believe a consumption tax with rebatesto offset costs for the poor and middle class would work, which I did after talking to him a couple times.

He made a few mistakes (like big ones) that would have made this campaign ugly, but living in AR, I saw what he did for the state, and it was impressive to saythe least.

/Huckabee commercial-love affair

Huckabee -even though his approach is different than I prefer (like the consumption tax) I was always surprised by how much I liked the guy. He seemed level-headed and favored the common man. Saw him do well on the Daily Show. I heard he's a religious man, but he doesn't seem to phony it up pandering to the base.

I wouldn't have voted for him... but maybe it would have taken a religious guy like him to pull the extreme right wing more towards the center, rather than what we have now- where they are dragging McCain to the extreme. we'll never know.