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cpebbles wrote:Anyone catch Bernie Sanders on Maher Friday? He seemed pretty livid with the McCain camp for stepping up the attacks on the Ayers connection. Paraphrasing, he says they're consciously creating a situation where if Obama wins, tens of millions of Americans will literally believe that we have a terrorist in the White House. If Obama loses, tens of millions of Americans will be utterly disillusioned by the depths to which our President sank to win the election. That really is the ultimate demonstration of divisive politics, and it's something that McCain needs to think about the next time he tries to pass himself off as a uniter.
And that is the legacy that McCain will leave behind. A dirty politician, unless he changes course here soon.

I had high respect for the man before the campaign. I keep waiting to see the guy I thought I knew step up and take charge of his own campaign. Maybe he is taking charge, maybe he just fooled me. I hope not, but honestly the way his campaign is running I just don't know what else to think.

I think I'm right there with you...I keep waiting for McCain to take charge of his campaign. To me, he seems like a puppet in which his party is making decisions for him (Palin, strategy, etc). Obama seems to run his campaign his way, and his party (which was reluctant at first) is following his lead...but that's just the way I see it.

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cpebbles wrote:Anyone catch Bernie Sanders on Maher Friday? He seemed pretty livid with the McCain camp for stepping up the attacks on the Ayers connection. Paraphrasing, he says they're consciously creating a situation where if Obama wins, tens of millions of Americans will literally believe that we have a terrorist in the White House. If Obama loses, tens of millions of Americans will be utterly disillusioned by the depths to which our President sank to win the election. That really is the ultimate demonstration of divisive politics, and it's something that McCain needs to think about the next time he tries to pass himself off as a uniter.
I find this very unethical and dangerous which could lead to some "vigilante-style" thoughts. I may not think that Bush is doing the best job as a president, but I respect the presidency and would rather vote him out than cause false pandemonium which could lead to violence.

I really wish the Republicans would take back their party, but seeing Powell "somewhat defect" is a sign of the times. He was the rising star of the Republican party (from my opinion) until Bush & Co. threw him under the bus at the UN.

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TimeForGuinness wrote:
cpebbles wrote:Anyone catch Bernie Sanders on Maher Friday? He seemed pretty livid with the McCain camp for stepping up the attacks on the Ayers connection. Paraphrasing, he says they're consciously creating a situation where if Obama wins, tens of millions of Americans will literally believe that we have a terrorist in the White House. If Obama loses, tens of millions of Americans will be utterly disillusioned by the depths to which our President sank to win the election. That really is the ultimate demonstration of divisive politics, and it's something that McCain needs to think about the next time he tries to pass himself off as a uniter.
I find this very unethical and dangerous which could lead to some "vigilante-style" thoughts. I may not think that Bush is doing the best job as a president, but I respect the presidency and would rather vote him out than cause false pandemonium which could lead to violence.

I really wish the Republicans would take back their party, but seeing Powell "somewhat defect" is a sign of the times. He was the rising star of the Republican party (from my opinion) until Bush & Co. threw him under the bus at the UN.
and powell is a republican i definitely could have voted for. in fact, given the condition of the world today powell would have been my #1 candidate to start. obviously i don't know his stances on other issues, so that could change. but i like powell, alot.

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jim wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:
cpebbles wrote:Anyone catch Bernie Sanders on Maher Friday? He seemed pretty livid with the McCain camp for stepping up the attacks on the Ayers connection. Paraphrasing, he says they're consciously creating a situation where if Obama wins, tens of millions of Americans will literally believe that we have a terrorist in the White House. If Obama loses, tens of millions of Americans will be utterly disillusioned by the depths to which our President sank to win the election. That really is the ultimate demonstration of divisive politics, and it's something that McCain needs to think about the next time he tries to pass himself off as a uniter.
I find this very unethical and dangerous which could lead to some "vigilante-style" thoughts. I may not think that Bush is doing the best job as a president, but I respect the presidency and would rather vote him out than cause false pandemonium which could lead to violence.

I really wish the Republicans would take back their party, but seeing Powell "somewhat defect" is a sign of the times. He was the rising star of the Republican party (from my opinion) until Bush & Co. threw him under the bus at the UN.
and powell is a republican i definitely could have voted for. in fact, given the condition of the world today powell would have been my #1 candidate to start. obviously i don't know his stances on other issues, so that could change. but i like powell, alot.
Same here...intelligence goes a long way...and Powell has a lot of it.

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jim wrote:
TimeForGuinness wrote:
cpebbles wrote:Anyone catch Bernie Sanders on Maher Friday? He seemed pretty livid with the McCain camp for stepping up the attacks on the Ayers connection. Paraphrasing, he says they're consciously creating a situation where if Obama wins, tens of millions of Americans will literally believe that we have a terrorist in the White House. If Obama loses, tens of millions of Americans will be utterly disillusioned by the depths to which our President sank to win the election. That really is the ultimate demonstration of divisive politics, and it's something that McCain needs to think about the next time he tries to pass himself off as a uniter.
I find this very unethical and dangerous which could lead to some "vigilante-style" thoughts. I may not think that Bush is doing the best job as a president, but I respect the presidency and would rather vote him out than cause false pandemonium which could lead to violence.

I really wish the Republicans would take back their party, but seeing Powell "somewhat defect" is a sign of the times. He was the rising star of the Republican party (from my opinion) until Bush & Co. threw him under the bus at the UN.
and powell is a republican i definitely could have voted for. in fact, given the condition of the world today powell would have been my #1 candidate to start. obviously i don't know his stances on other issues, so that could change. but i like powell, alot.
Agreed,I still wish Powell would run.

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Well, according to Pat "this is a HUUUGE problem for the Democrats" Buchanan, Powell only endorsed Obama because he's black and has put skin color above the Republican party.

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GatewaySnayke wrote:Well, according to Pat "this is a HUUUGE problem for the Democrats" Buchanan, Powell only endorsed Obama because he's black and has put skin color above the Republican party.
I guess Christopher Buckley was passing all those years.

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I respect Colin Powell and I'm glad he has endorsed Obama... But he, like McCain now apparently, allowed others that he disagreed with to make him say and do and silently go along with things that he did not believe in or agree with. For that, he will always have a strike in my book as far as leadership capabilities go. He should have resigned before ever being dragged in front of the UN and he should have taken his opposition to the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice doctrine on Iraq to the public.

His endorsement of Obama is newsworthy because he is a conservative, because he is very highly respected by people of all stripes, and because he articulates some very convincing reasons for his endorsement. Other than that, it's not really a game-changer other than the fact that it's being talked about and analyzed to death on TV.

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