Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[clement]

And Obama has pulled even with McCain with rural people in swing states.

After trailing by 10 points in U.S. rural areas, Democrat Barack Obama is neck-and-neck with Republican John McCain among rural voters in 13 swing states, a potentially key group for winning the White House, according to a poll released on Thursday. Obama was supported by 46 percent and McCain by 45 percent of 841 likely voters surveyed from October 5-21.

A month ago, the poll showed McCain led 51-41. President George W. Bush won rural districts nationwide by 19 points in 2004.

The poll showed rural voters have cooled from their initial enthusiasm for Sarah Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president. Forty percent view her favorably and 42 percent unfavorably, compared to a 48-33 split in September. Obama, McCain and Joe Biden, the Democratic nominee for vice president, had higher ratings than Palin in the new poll.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... SF20081023

[ghostrunner]

I think the infomercial's a great idea if done properly. I was a big fan of it when Perot did it, and it helped him quite a bit.

Maybe Obama doesn't need it, but I don't see much risk either. If it means he can get a bit more detailed about his plans and his justification for them, I think that's good. I'll probably watch it, even though I'll be voting this weekend.

[jim]

So basically Obama is appealing to people.

[G. Keenan]

There was just a clip on MSNBC previewing tonight's McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Williams asked Palin to define elite. And after Palin's long, rambling reply McCain pipes up "I know where they live"

Williams asks where. And McCain says: "Washington DC and New York City."

In DC he feels they're concentrated mostly in Georgetown. But didn't mention which area of NYC. So I guess it includes all the subway stops. Like near the former World Trade Center one. That's a horrifying answer. Honestly.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! This is why it matters that the RNC Eliza Doolittled Sarah Palin up in $150,000 worth of clothes. They vilify the elite to bolster their authenticity while committing the same acts of elitism. This cultural warfare tactic is exhausting and absurdly hypocritical. McCain owns half a dozen mansions. He's the son of a freakin' admiral. My dad ain't no admiral. He's a career politician; he's his own political brand. How much more elite do you need to get before you're elite?

I, however, fit all the criteria. I enjoy espresso based coffee drinks quite a lot, live in a major metropolitan area, and have two degrees. Let them eat cake.

[BW23]

There was just a clip on MSNBC previewing tonight's McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Williams asked Palin to define elite. And after Palin's long, rambling reply McCain pipes up "I know where they live"

Williams asks where. And McCain says: "Washington DC and New York City."

In DC he feels they're concentrated mostly in Georgetown. But didn't mention which area of NYC. So I guess it includes all the subway stops. Like near the former World Trade Center one. That's a horrifying answer. Honestly.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! This is why it matters that the RNC Eliza Doolittled Sarah Palin up in $150,000 worth of clothes. They vilify the elite to bolster their authenticity while committing the same acts of elitism. This cultural warfare tactic is exhausting and absurdly hypocritical. McCain owns half a dozen mansions. He's the son of a freakin' admiral. My dad ain't no admiral. He's a career politician; he's his own political brand. How much more elite do you need to get before you're elite?

I, however, fit all the criteria. I enjoy espresso based coffee drinks quite a lot, live in a major metropolitan area, and have two degrees. Let them eat cake.

I find it funny that we're blasting the republican party or McCain camp or Palin specifically for spending $150,000 when Obama is spending more than that for a 30-second spot for the same kinds of thing....improving image. Obama's running circles around McCain in raised (and spent) donations. Yet people are whining about $150,000 on wardrobe.

[G. Keenan]

There was just a clip on MSNBC previewing tonight's McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Williams asked Palin to define elite. And after Palin's long, rambling reply McCain pipes up "I know where they live"

Williams asks where. And McCain says: "Washington DC and New York City."

In DC he feels they're concentrated mostly in Georgetown. But didn't mention which area of NYC. So I guess it includes all the subway stops. Like near the former World Trade Center one. That's a horrifying answer. Honestly.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! This is why it matters that the RNC Eliza Doolittled Sarah Palin up in $150,000 worth of clothes. They vilify the elite to bolster their authenticity while committing the same acts of elitism. This cultural warfare tactic is exhausting and absurdly hypocritical. McCain owns half a dozen mansions. He's the son of a freakin' admiral. My dad ain't no admiral. He's a career politician; he's his own political brand. How much more elite do you need to get before you're elite?

I, however, fit all the criteria. I enjoy espresso based coffee drinks quite a lot, live in a major metropolitan area, and have two degrees. Let them eat cake.

I find it funny that we're blasting the republican party or McCain camp or Palin specifically for spending $150,000 when Obama is spending more than that for a 30-second spot for the same kinds of thing....improving image. Obama's running circles around McCain in raised (and spent) donations. Yet people are whining about $150,000 on wardrobe.

Honestly, I don't care about the money or that Palin needs to look good. I get that. The whole point of Sarah Palin is that she has the common touch, the small town social and religious values, and that she understands the hardships of working class patriots.

Do you not agree that it is hypocritical to criticize elitism, whatever that is, while wearing a $2500 Valentino jacket? I don't want her to not dress nicely. I want her to learn how the US government actually works instead of questioning the authenticity of Americans that live in urban areas. People who live in glass houses and all that.

[haltz]

I find it funny that we're blasting the republican party or McCain camp or Palin specifically for spending $150,000 when Obama is spending more than that for a 30-second spot for the same kinds of thing....improving image. Obama's running circles around McCain in raised (and spent) donations. Yet people are whining about $150,000 on wardrobe.

Oh come on, that's a huge straw man. Nobody cares that she bought a bunch of pantsuits at Saks. That's not the point at all.

[Hungary Jack]

There was just a clip on MSNBC previewing tonight's McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Williams asked Palin to define elite. And after Palin's long, rambling reply McCain pipes up "I know where they live"

Williams asks where. And McCain says: "Washington DC and New York City."

In DC he feels they're concentrated mostly in Georgetown. But didn't mention which area of NYC. So I guess it includes all the subway stops. Like near the former World Trade Center one. That's a horrifying answer. Honestly.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! This is why it matters that the RNC Eliza Doolittled Sarah Palin up in $150,000 worth of clothes. They vilify the elite to bolster their authenticity while committing the same acts of elitism. This cultural warfare tactic is exhausting and absurdly hypocritical. McCain owns half a dozen mansions. He's the son of a freakin' admiral. My dad ain't no admiral. He's a career politician; he's his own political brand. How much more elite do you need to get before you're elite?

I, however, fit all the criteria. I enjoy espresso based coffee drinks quite a lot, live in a major metropolitan area, and have two degrees. Let them eat cake.

Amen.

[maddash]

There was just a clip on MSNBC previewing tonight's McCain-Palin interview with Brian Williams. Williams asked Palin to define elite. And after Palin's long, rambling reply McCain pipes up "I know where they live"

Williams asks where. And McCain says: "Washington DC and New York City."

In DC he feels they're concentrated mostly in Georgetown. But didn't mention which area of NYC. So I guess it includes all the subway stops. Like near the former World Trade Center one. That's a horrifying answer. Honestly.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! This is why it matters that the RNC Eliza Doolittled Sarah Palin up in $150,000 worth of clothes. They vilify the elite to bolster their authenticity while committing the same acts of elitism. This cultural warfare tactic is exhausting and absurdly hypocritical. McCain owns half a dozen mansions. He's the son of a freakin' admiral. My dad ain't no admiral. He's a career politician; he's his own political brand. How much more elite do you need to get before you're elite?

I, however, fit all the criteria. I enjoy espresso based coffee drinks quite a lot, live in a major metropolitan area, and have two degrees. Let them eat cake.

The counter-argument - that the McCain campaign is so inept at actually getting out - is that it's not about being rich or privileged, it's about thinking you know, or are, better than someone else. Basically, they're saying that being a "snob" is bad for America. Obama is an intellectual snob to them because he comes off as a "know it all".

Probably the reason they're so bad at getting that more nuanced version of their elitist claim out, is because it sounds so petty and childish.

[G. Keenan]

The counter-argument - that the McCain campaign is so inept at actually getting out - is that it's not about being rich or privileged, it's about thinking you know, or are, better than someone else. Basically, they're saying that being a "snob" is bad for America. Obama is an intellectual snob to them because he comes off as a "know it all".

Probably the reason they're so bad at getting that more nuanced version of their elitist claim out, is because it sounds so petty and childish.

That, and the complete collapse of the global capitalist economic system. You can't turn on a tv these days without hearing terms like commercial paper market, LIBOR, and credit default swap.

You betcha!