BW23 wrote:Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.
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I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.
You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.
95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.
There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).
What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.
Speaking as someone who was almost homeless 6 months ago because my parents couldn't afford to pay a double house payment and had two vehicles out on a title loan, I don't think having the wealth redistributed is such a bad idea. I guess helping the people who actually need help by cutting their taxes is too socialist and unAmerican to imagine.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:08 pm
by ghostrunner
We've had redistribution for a century at least.
Obama's talking about bringing the top brackets up to what they were under Clinton, which is less than they were under Reagan, and much less than what they were in the 70s.
I don't see where the socialism charge is coming from.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:08 pm
by Michael
So any time you raise taxes on the wealthiest you are a socialist?
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:09 pm
by letsgocards89
PujolJunkie wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:
pop_haines wrote:
BW23 wrote:Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.
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I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.
You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.
95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.
There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).
What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.
Yeah, letting people keep more of the money they EARNED is a handout.........
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:09 pm
by letsgocards89
Michael wrote:So any time you raise taxes on the wealthiest you are a socialist?
No, but his Robin Hood ideal is.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:10 pm
by PujolJunkie
letsgocards89 wrote:
PujolJunkie wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:
pop_haines wrote:
BW23 wrote:Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.
[/youtube]
I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.
You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.
95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.
There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).
What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.
Yeah, letting people keep more of the money they EARNED is a handout.........
Okay, so the tax system in GENERAL is socialism?
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:10 pm
by PujolJunkie
letsgocards89 wrote:
Michael wrote:So any time you raise taxes on the wealthiest you are a socialist?
No, but his Robin Hood ideal is.
God forbid should anyone take money from people who are never going to miss it and give it to the people who are living from paycheck to paycheck.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:11 pm
by letsgocards89
PujolJunkie wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:
pop_haines wrote:
BW23 wrote:Okay, then how about this one that's not taken out of context.
[/youtube]
I'm not sure I understand why this is such a concern.
It boils down to wanting to help people.
You want to talk about redistributive economics?
Let's look at that financial sector bailout again.
95% of all Americans will either be unaffected or pay
less in taxes with Obama's plan. Of the remaining 5%,
a few (like that old socialist Warren Buffett) are totally
supportive. The rest are hopping up and down and
calling him a Commie (wrong), a Marxist (wrong),
and a Socialist (wrong again). This country has a
slew of social programs already in place that are
extremely beneficial. Does that mean we're a
socialist nation? No, of course not.
There's a big difference between a help up (college grants, Job Corps) and a handout (wealth redistribution).
What was it when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy? Was that not a handout? Was that not wealth redistribution? Don't act like changes to the tax code = socialism. There's a difference.
Speaking as someone who was almost homeless 6 months ago because my parents couldn't afford to pay a double house payment and had two vehicles out on a title loan, I don't think having the wealth redistributed is such a bad idea. I guess helping the people who actually need help by cutting their taxes is too socialist and unAmerican to imagine.
I've got some bills that need paying too. I'll be expecting your check within the week. Thanks.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:12 pm
by Richie Allen
Michael wrote:So any time you raise taxes on the wealthiest you are a socialist?
And if there's less than 10 days before an election and you find yourself way behind in the polls.
Re: Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin
Posted: October 27 08, 3:12 pm
by letsgocards89
PujolJunkie wrote:
letsgocards89 wrote:
Michael wrote:So any time you raise taxes on the wealthiest you are a socialist?
No, but his Robin Hood ideal is.
God forbid should anyone take money from people who are never going to miss it and give it to the people who are living from paycheck to paycheck.
Here's an idea: Earn more or spend less. Budgets are cool.