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BW23 wrote:we have far left leaders in both the House and Senate

Popeye_Card wrote:

BW23 wrote:

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BW23 wrote:Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

1.) I guess if you view paying taxes as "punishment", then you would be right. I don't view it that way.

2.) Isn't that what most churches stand for? Didn't Jesus tell a parable about the poor woman who gave all she had, vs. the rich man who merely gave his tithe?

I view paying taxes for certain programs a punishment, yeah.

Are you comparing his "church" to most churches? If so, that's probably not a good idea. Ever read about the theology behind Trinity?

1.) I don't like a good portion of my taxes funding a war I've never agreed with, but I still wouldn't call them a punishment. Part of the cost of living in this wonderful country that has allowed me to earn such a good wage in the first place.

2.) I was only addressing your concern of Obama's church wanting political and economic justice. I'm pretty sure Jesus was for that, no?

1) Fair enough on war. Of course, I agree with that.

2) Again, have you read the theology behind Trinity? I would say there's little Jesus agrees with there. But that's JMO. To me, the theology is very divisive stuff. More so than any religious organization that considers itself based on Christianity.

I've not read up much on Trinity, because I don't really care much about it. Not enough to wade through what's factual and what isn't from what I can research on the internet.

But regardless of what wacky things the rest of the church may believe, Jesus very much cared about political and economic justice. Perhaps not through the government, but I believe he held little regard for those who cared more about their paycheck than their fellow man.

From Luke 18:

9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'
13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

18A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
19"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'"

21"All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said.

22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

26Those who heard this asked, "Who then can be saved?"

27Jesus replied, "What is impossible with men is possible with God."

28Peter said to him, "We have left all we had to follow you!"

29"I tell you the truth," Jesus said to them, "no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life."

BW23 wrote:

Popeye_Card wrote:

BW23 wrote:Why should I be punished for making good decisions in my life?

What I heard in that video was that "political and economic justice" is the redistribution of wealth. Justice, both politically and economically, is taking from the rich and giving to the poor. It's exactly what his "church" stands for.

1.) I guess if you view paying taxes as "punishment", then you would be right. I don't view it that way.

2.) Isn't that what most churches stand for? Didn't Jesus tell a parable about the poor woman who gave all she had, vs. the rich man who merely gave his tithe?

I view paying taxes for certain programs a punishment, yeah.

GatewaySnayke wrote:Actually, it'd be really scary if we elected leaders from a party that embraced someone who said that Katrina was payback for homosexuality. Or that embraced someone who chased a woman out of a village because she was a "demon." Or embraced someone that believes in Zionism.

Good thing we've never done those, eh?

BW23 wrote:So you support Obama's "religious" views? You think it's okay what his church stands for?

Radbird wrote:I think it would be helpful for the right to decide whether Obama is a socialist or a fascist, because I'm pretty sure those are different things.

This video reaches depths that I hoped would not be attained during this campaign, but apparently I was wrong. All I can do is shake my head and hope Nov 4 gets here soon. The link below the video is to an article that apparently is gaining wide distribution in some Christian circles.

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“Hymn to Hitler”, By Lori Kalner

This is real to me because I received Lori's "Hymn" as an email from someone at my church this weekend urging me to reconsider voting for Obama.

We went to a different church yesterday.