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I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
This is the point I'm trying to make. You can argue all day long about how Bush or Clinton managed the military, but my point is that investing in technology and resources to help run the military efficiently and keep America safe. Points are made about how ridiculous our military spending is, but I'm talking about investing in improving the military while times keep on changing.Popeye_Card wrote:I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
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OK, but if that's the point you're trying to make, we are not in a very good position right now to react to any new conflict around the world. We're stretched pretty darn thin right now, mostly because of an ill-advised (and very costly) invasion over 5 years ago.cards2468 wrote:This is the point I'm trying to make. You can argue all day long about how Bush or Clinton managed the military, but my point is that investing in technology and resources to help run the military efficiently and keep America safe. Points are made about how ridiculous our military spending is, but I'm talking about investing in improving the military while times keep on changing.Popeye_Card wrote:I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
As we start closing the chapter on Iraq War, it's important that we invest in improving the military. We're facing very different warfare today than we did in the past and it's important we adjust accordingly. I trust McCain to focus on this while I foresee Obama acting along the lines of Clinton and slowing down the advancement in military technology with limited military spending.Popeye_Card wrote:OK, but if that's the point you're trying to make, we are not in a very good position right now to react to any new conflict around the world. We're stretched pretty darn thin right now, mostly because of an ill-advised (and very costly) invasion over 5 years ago.cards2468 wrote:This is the point I'm trying to make. You can argue all day long about how Bush or Clinton managed the military, but my point is that investing in technology and resources to help run the military efficiently and keep America safe. Points are made about how ridiculous our military spending is, but I'm talking about investing in improving the military while times keep on changing.Popeye_Card wrote:I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
As this discussion continues, I realize I've never heard the issue of the military and military spending mentioned by Obama. He says he'll pull out of Iraq, but I really don't know if he plans on reducing spending or not.cards2468 wrote:As we start closing the chapter on Iraq War, it's important that we invest in improving the military. We're facing very different warfare today than we did in the past and it's important we adjust accordingly. I trust McCain to focus on this while I foresee Obama acting along the lines of Clinton and slowing down the advancement in military technology with limited military spending.Popeye_Card wrote:OK, but if that's the point you're trying to make, we are not in a very good position right now to react to any new conflict around the world. We're stretched pretty darn thin right now, mostly because of an ill-advised (and very costly) invasion over 5 years ago.cards2468 wrote:This is the point I'm trying to make. You can argue all day long about how Bush or Clinton managed the military, but my point is that investing in technology and resources to help run the military efficiently and keep America safe. Points are made about how ridiculous our military spending is, but I'm talking about investing in improving the military while times keep on changing.Popeye_Card wrote:I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
PujolJunkie wrote:My dad blames Clinton for the current economy woes. I swear to God, I'm not kidding.clement wrote:So who [expletive] up the Iraq and Afganistan Wars? Clinton too?
I guess Clinton doesn't get credit for what he accomplished in Bosnia and Kosovo though, right?
Clinton inherited another misleading intervention in Somalia. Look at Somalia now, it's still a mess. I guess he should have stayed the course though.
I believe he plans to use some of the money being used on Iraq to fund so much of the new spending he's proposing, although some of that will also go to getting a stronger presence in Afghanistan.KyCardinalFan wrote:As this discussion continues, I realize I've never heard the issue of the military and military spending mentioned by Obama. He says he'll pull out of Iraq, but I really don't know if he plans on reducing spending or not.cards2468 wrote:As we start closing the chapter on Iraq War, it's important that we invest in improving the military. We're facing very different warfare today than we did in the past and it's important we adjust accordingly. I trust McCain to focus on this while I foresee Obama acting along the lines of Clinton and slowing down the advancement in military technology with limited military spending.Popeye_Card wrote:OK, but if that's the point you're trying to make, we are not in a very good position right now to react to any new conflict around the world. We're stretched pretty darn thin right now, mostly because of an ill-advised (and very costly) invasion over 5 years ago.cards2468 wrote:This is the point I'm trying to make. You can argue all day long about how Bush or Clinton managed the military, but my point is that investing in technology and resources to help run the military efficiently and keep America safe. Points are made about how ridiculous our military spending is, but I'm talking about investing in improving the military while times keep on changing.Popeye_Card wrote:I'm not sure if "gutted" is the right word. Perhaps the right question to ask is, despite drastic increases in spending, is the current military better equiped to respond to a new conflict in the world now, or 8 years ago?clement wrote:
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
Is there a link to an article that is being referred? Or is this just the assumption that Democrats, in general, are "weak" on defense.
No mention of technology or investing in defense rather than making useless treaties. Based on Obama's tax plan, it's expected he'd increase the national deficit by nearly $4 trillion by 2018. It's expected he'd somewhat cut down that number by reducing military spending. Both candidates are advocating lower taxes because they know 8 years from now the problem won't be their problem anymore.KyCardinalFan wrote:Here is what is on Obama/Biden's site:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/defense/
At a Glance
Invest in a 21st Century Military
Build Defense Capabilities for the 21st Century
Restore the Readiness of the National Guard and Reserves
Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Security
Restore Our Alliances
Reform Contracting