What would count as not mere rhetoric? Preconceived notions about what Democrats do?
Thank you for contributing to the military discussion.
You stated that Obama would not invest in military technology but provided no evidence that this was the case. KyCardinalFan posted his platform that explicitly stated that he planed to do exactly that. This was dismissed as mere rhetoric but no counter-evidence was provided. It sounds to me like you have already made a conclusion (Democrats will not invest in the military) and will defer any need for evidence. This kind of inverted reasoning is a major problem with political dialog.
Well I guess the naval issue doesn't count.
It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
What would count as not mere rhetoric? Preconceived notions about what Democrats do?
Thank you for contributing to the military discussion.
You stated that Obama would not invest in military technology but provided no evidence that this was the case. KyCardinalFan posted his platform that explicitly stated that he planed to do exactly that. This was dismissed as mere rhetoric but no counter-evidence was provided. It sounds to me like you have already made a conclusion (Democrats will not invest in the military) and will defer any need for evidence. This kind of inverted reasoning is a major problem with political dialog.
Well I guess the naval issue doesn't count.
It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
Cutting the overall military spending doesn't prevent him from still investing in military technology. With a budget roughly around $600 billion, I'd imagine there's some wiggle room.
What would count as not mere rhetoric? Preconceived notions about what Democrats do?
Thank you for contributing to the military discussion.
You stated that Obama would not invest in military technology but provided no evidence that this was the case. KyCardinalFan posted his platform that explicitly stated that he planed to do exactly that. This was dismissed as mere rhetoric but no counter-evidence was provided. It sounds to me like you have already made a conclusion (Democrats will not invest in the military) and will defer any need for evidence. This kind of inverted reasoning is a major problem with political dialog.
Well I guess the naval issue doesn't count.
It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
Cutting the overall military spending doesn't prevent him from still investing in military technology. With a budget roughly around $600 billion, I'd imagine there's some wiggle room.
I guess if he plans on making Iraqi go cold turkey by removing everything US related out of Iraq right after inauguration
cards2468 wrote:
It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
cards2468 wrote:
It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
He's cutting taxes now?
He claims 95% are getting tax breaks. My only claim was that he will be increasing taxes on small businesses (and obviously the top 2 new tax brackets he plans on adding... even tho every speech he or Biden gives shows that these brackets are increasing in size daily... from $250,000 to $200,000 to Biden recently stating $150,000 + income)
cards2468 wrote:Well I guess the naval issue doesn't count.
I don't get it. He said he'd invest in the Navy along with other things. Apparently you feel that since these investments are long term and include already existing projects, that Obama would only be "taking credit". That doesn't make any sense. Similarly, I suppose Bush was only taking credit for investments initiated under Clinton. How is this an argument that Obama will not invest in military technology?
cards2468 wrote:It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
McCain proposes an even larger tax cut, therefor he will make much deeper military spending reductions. Right?
cards2468 wrote:Well I guess the naval issue doesn't count.
I don't get it. He said he'd invest in the Navy along with other things. Apparently you feel that since these investments are long term and include already existing projects, that Obama would only be "taking credit". That doesn't make any sense. Similarly, I suppose Bush was only taking credit for investments initiated under Clinton. How is this an argument that Obama will not invest in military technology?
cards2468 wrote:It's simple, he's cutting taxes, and increasing spending in social programs including his national health care proposal. Unless he plans on dwarfing Bush's build up in deficit, he has to cut military spending. It's not that complicated.
McCain proposes an even larger tax cut, therefor he will make even deeper military spending reductions. Right?
Social programs...
It appears to me that McCain is planning on increasing the deficit more drastically than Obama to devalue the dollar and help increase US exports. I don't necessarily believe in this, but to me it doesn't look like either candidate plan on addressing the deficit.
clement wrote:
The part that I don't get is how Clinton gets blamed for his lousy handling of the military for one poorly managed inherited conflict in the first months of his 8 year presidency, one that he quickly extricated the country from; while he followed that up with successful interventions in other parts of the world. Meanwhile no mention is made of the utter and complete disaster of the current president's handling of the military.
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
Most people wouldn't even remember the Somalia conflict if it weren't for the movie Blackhawk Down.
clement wrote:
The part that I don't get is how Clinton gets blamed for his lousy handling of the military for one poorly managed inherited conflict in the first months of his 8 year presidency, one that he quickly extricated the country from; while he followed that up with successful interventions in other parts of the world. Meanwhile no mention is made of the utter and complete disaster of the current president's handling of the military.
If our military has ever been gutted in recent history, it's right now.
Most people wouldn't even remember the Somalia conflict if it weren't for the movie Blackhawk Down.
Considering I was 5-6 yrs old at the time, I didn't notice it until the movie came out, and after I saw that movie I became interested in it and looked into it more, then that special came out on the history channel with the soldiers being interviewed and they really brought up some good points.
Stop me if you've heard this one before. Although the national trackers look slightly stronger for John McCain than they did a couple days ago, Barack Obama once again had an exceptionally good day in the state-level numbers.
The pollsters models on NC and GA may be completely off. If you look at their internals they are not modeling for increased AA turnout. Pollsters at modeling NC at 20% AA and GA at 25% which are the same as 2004 levels. NC is coming in at 28% and GA at 35%. Both states have had huge increases in AA registrations, GA alone having 480,000 new registrants of African American descent.
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