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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote: His job, pure and simple, is to get the most money as possible for his clients. How he chooses to do that is his business. If this gets an extra mil/year for Holliday (and therefore 100K for himself), I would say that criticizing the Cardinals is his job.
So DeWitt's going to be shamed into spending more? No way that's the case. I'd assume if anything, it makes them less likely to deal with him.
Boras shamed McCourt in to giving Manny an extra year.

Like I said earlier, now that teams are better at valuating players, Boras' new tactic is shaming owners. My guess is he's hoping the Card's set the market then the Yankees come in at the last minute and top it.

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Just yesterday he told the Giants they can't win without more offense. And of course said it publicly. Yes, I am aware of it.


I don't believe that if Holliday was interested in the Angels, they wouldn't be a player in all this. I bet they sign a Boras client at some point in the future.

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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:Concerning your first statement, I don't think that criticizing the way owners and GM's run their teams has been his "MO". I'm not aware that he's criticized other teams in that way, are you?[\quote]

Just yesterday he told the Giants they can't win without more offense. And of course said it publicly. Yes, I am aware of it.
Concerning your last statement - it's all speculation. I believe it though (Angels not wanting to deal for Holliday because of Boras).
I don't believe that if Holliday was interested in the Angels, they wouldn't be a player in all this. I bet they sign a Boras client at some point in the future.
I can't imagine why Holliday wouldn't be interested in the Angels, or the other way around. If nothing else, you would think Boras would imply that the Angels are interested, to drive his price up. But the Angels have specifically said that they're not a player for him. And I'll bet they don't land another Boras client anytime soon. We'll see, I guess.

Regardless, insulting people is no way to do business. Boras is a jerk. This whole thing just reinforces that.

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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

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Rotoworld:

Ken Davidoff of New York Newsday writes that there is "increasing expectation" that the Yankees will eventually re-sign free agent designated hitter-outfielder Hideki Matsui.

Believe it or not, there's still a chance that the Bombers could retain both Matsui and Johnny Damon on short-term deals, even though they acquired Curtis Granderson from the Tigers this week. Davidoff expects that if Matsui was to re-sign with New York, it wouldn't happen until January. If the Yankees decline, Matsui could see interest from the White Sox and Angels, among others.

If Boras loses the Yankees as a negotiating tool for Holliday, he's going to have to work awfully hard to get what he's asking for. Because I believe that they are the ONLY team willing and able to pay the asking price. If Damon and Matsui land in New York before Holliday signs, then I think that Boras has officially overplayed his hand on this one.

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tscards wrote:I'd be as embarrassed as hell to have Boras as my agent!! I don't care that he get's the "most money" for his clients. Vast vast vast majority of people hate him & his 'greed' because of it. I'm not sorry to say that playing for 8.5Mil or 9.5Mil is going to make one frickin' bit of difference. When you have that much money, why another Mil?? I could probably manage to get "by" very well without trying to get the biggest frickin' contract ever!

Of course if the east coast banks didn't open their checkbooks all of the time, we probably wouldn't be thinking how bad he is.

I really hate the way that mlb contracts are negotiated!
Other than your last sentence, I couldn't disagree more with your statement.

Yes, it's hard to phathom the difference b/w 8.5 and 9.5 mil if you're living a middle class lifestyle. But, suffice it to say, these guys aren't driving honda accords and buying 150K houses and making payments. When you're driving 500K cars, and your wife is driving a 300K car and you've got a yacht in the bahamas to go along with your condo and dock and youv'e got a 5 million dollar mansion that you're living in and sending your kids to the best prep schools "(since if they went anywhere else they'd be outsiders for being dropped off in said car) and blah blah blah, 1 million dollars is noticeable. Plus, on top fo that, they only work 15 years or so instead of 40 like the average person.....


Is it all necessary? No. But, if someone gave you 20 million what would you do? bury it in your back yard?

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jagtrader wrote:Boras' full-court press in the P-D today makes it look like he's concerned about the Cardinals dropping out of the bidding, probably because this is where Holliday wants to play. Otherwise, why would he give a [expletive] about the team's spending habits?
That was my first thought. I want us to make a reasonable, competitive offer. But, even if we do, the Yankees (and maybe the Red Sox) will probably have the ultimate say. If they want Holliday, they'll get him.

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Socnorb11 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:Concerning your first statement, I don't think that criticizing the way owners and GM's run their teams has been his "MO". I'm not aware that he's criticized other teams in that way, are you?[\quote]

Just yesterday he told the Giants they can't win without more offense. And of course said it publicly. Yes, I am aware of it.
Concerning your last statement - it's all speculation. I believe it though (Angels not wanting to deal for Holliday because of Boras).
I don't believe that if Holliday was interested in the Angels, they wouldn't be a player in all this. I bet they sign a Boras client at some point in the future.
I can't imagine why Holliday wouldn't be interested in the Angels, or the other way around. If nothing else, you would think Boras would imply that the Angels are interested, to drive his price up. But the Angels have specifically said that they're not a player for him. And I'll bet they don't land another Boras client anytime soon. We'll see, I guess.

Regardless, insulting people is no way to do business. Boras is a jerk. This whole thing just reinforces that.
He'd need $28 million a year in LA to equal $18 million in STL.

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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

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Socnorb11 wrote: Boras is a jerk. This whole thing just reinforces that.

On that we can agree ;)

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Re: Update: The Matt Holliday Off-Season Thread

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robbotis wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:
AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
Socnorb11 wrote:Concerning your first statement, I don't think that criticizing the way owners and GM's run their teams has been his "MO". I'm not aware that he's criticized other teams in that way, are you?[\quote]

Just yesterday he told the Giants they can't win without more offense. And of course said it publicly. Yes, I am aware of it.
Concerning your last statement - it's all speculation. I believe it though (Angels not wanting to deal for Holliday because of Boras).
I don't believe that if Holliday was interested in the Angels, they wouldn't be a player in all this. I bet they sign a Boras client at some point in the future.
I can't imagine why Holliday wouldn't be interested in the Angels, or the other way around. If nothing else, you would think Boras would imply that the Angels are interested, to drive his price up. But the Angels have specifically said that they're not a player for him. And I'll bet they don't land another Boras client anytime soon. We'll see, I guess.

Regardless, insulting people is no way to do business. Boras is a jerk. This whole thing just reinforces that.
He'd need $28 million a year in LA to equal $18 million in STL.
What about New York?

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Socnorb11 wrote:Rotoworld:

Ken Davidoff of New York Newsday writes that there is "increasing expectation" that the Yankees will eventually re-sign free agent designated hitter-outfielder Hideki Matsui.

Believe it or not, there's still a chance that the Bombers could retain both Matsui and Johnny Damon on short-term deals, even though they acquired Curtis Granderson from the Tigers this week. Davidoff expects that if Matsui was to re-sign with New York, it wouldn't happen until January. If the Yankees decline, Matsui could see interest from the White Sox and Angels, among others.

If Boras loses the Yankees as a negotiating tool for Holliday, he's going to have to work awfully hard to get what he's asking for. Because I believe that they are the ONLY team willing and able to pay the asking price. If Damon and Matsui land in New York before Holliday signs, then I think that Boras has officially overplayed his hand on this one.
"increasing expectation" among whom? Color me unconvinced. Until Bay and Holliday have both signed someplace else, I will continue to believe that the Yankees will get one of them.

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