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jim wrote:Like it or not, this ship has changed sails as of late last year with the promo of Luhnow. If I look at it at the 500 foot view I don't like it - despite a few head scratchers WJ has been the man in charge of one of the most successful periods in Cardinal history. If I look at it from the 50,000 foot view though, I don't know if it looks so bad. The sleeping giant to the north is rumbling, and if she ever wakes up for good she could pose some problems if we just follow the status quo. Maybe the way to deal with her is a Moneyball approach - something Luhnow fits the model for and WJ (and TLR) don't.

That might be comforting if there was a player quality that was under-valued, as when Beane was doing his thing. It seems that no stone is left unturned these days, though.

haltz wrote:I just stepped outside and heard the rumor too, actually. Then the guy asked me if I had any change.

so, do people just walk around the streets of Chicago yelling random baseball news stories/rumors?

docellis wrote:This seriously devalues my boast that I rubbed elbows with Walt at the World Series Gala.

walt disney?

omaha_red wrote:

docellis wrote:This seriously devalues my boast that I rubbed elbows with Walt at the World Series Gala.

walt disney?

She tried but he gave her the cold shoulder.

Ba-doom-CH!

clevername wrote:

haltz wrote:I just stepped outside and heard the rumor too, actually. Then the guy asked me if I had any change.

so, do people just walk around the streets of Chicago yelling random baseball news stories/rumors?

Yeah, it happens in between swigs of beer. Kinda weird to see it in person.

I'll have to thinnk about this a lot more, but for now, I think it's important to keep in mind that tehre are two sides to this.

Jocketty's decisions have not worked out super-well for a bit now; the extension to Carp two years early, the extension to Edmonds instead of picking up a cheaper one year option, the decision to resign Mulder for two years and at least $12mm (will he pitch any of it?), failing to land, well, ANY of the attractive players he targeted last off-season . . . combined with the notion that he apparently did not see eye to eye with the player development side of his own house . . .

really, when I think about it more, I may feel a lot more strongly one way or t'other, but my first reaction is, I am not convinced it is such a bad decision. And if TLR and Dunc go too -- well, no one has EVER heard me wish ANY of them were gone, but maybe it is time. None of these three are exactly known for their aptitude or fondness for building a team from the bottom up, and whether re-tooling on the fly this off-season or not, that clearly is the long-term, big-picture direction the team is pointing in.

ghostrunner wrote:According to Bernie, Tony likes Mozeliak and Luhnow does too. Who knows, maybe he stays. He didn't always work for Walt.

For all we know now, Tony and Walt had an issue. I'd find it hard to believe, but anything seems possible now.

Here are Bernie's last couple of posts:

i'm not surprised at all that Luhnow isnt the GM... I've been reporting that all summer, that DeWitt did not view him as being anywhere ready for the GM job.

--B

If Mozeliak gets the job, things can continue as normal.

Hell, he's the one who signed Franklin and Springer last offseason...

agents like him; Tony likes him.

--B

I still say Tony's as good as gone. Think about it. I bet, more than anything, Walt and DeWitt didn't agree (all year, but mostly) yesterday on the direction the team should take. Walt's a win-now GM. He's not a guy that wants to go on the cheap.

Neither is Tony.

i guess this is the perfect ending to the worst season ever.