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Ok, so Tony confirmed he put the pitcher in the 1 spot? That's not as bad as PH for a guy you just put in, but it still unnecessarily burns a player and is a very poor move imo. First off, I'd probably rather have Rasmus leading off an inning in a one run game to begin with. Second, you just don't have the players to be doing this. What if we score 1 and tie it up, wouldn't you rather have a guy like Duncan on the bench to PH later?

Just a bad decision. Not horrible like I originally thought, but bad.

jagtrader wrote:The Yahoo! box had Rasmus in the leadoff spot. Maybe it was wrong.

I think the people doing the boxscore just made the move that made sense.

jagtrader wrote:The Yahoo! box had Rasmus in the leadoff spot. Maybe it was wrong.

So did mlb during the game, and gameday has it as Rasmus in the 1 spot.

You think there is any chance we really did PH Duncan for Rasmus but *thought* we were PH'ing Duncan for the pitcher?

jim wrote:Ok, so Tony confirmed he put the pitcher in the 1 spot? That's not as bad as PH for a guy you just put in, but it still unnecessarily burns a player and is a very poor move imo. First off, I'd probably rather have Rasmus leading off an inning in a one run game to begin with. Second, you just don't have the players to be doing this. What if we score 1 and tie it up, wouldn't you rather have a guy like Duncan on the bench to PH later?

Just a bad decision. Not horrible like I originally thought, but bad.

Pretty much the same thing TBH

jim wrote:wouldn't you rather have a guy like Duncan on the bench to PH later?

Honestly? When our starting pitchers have been on base more than our OF's in this series (I'll have to double-check, but I think that's right), I'd maybe go with one of them instead.

EDIT: Fact check. I was wrong. The starting OF's beat the starting pitchers 7-4 in number of times on base in this series. That still isn't much to brag about since there are 3 of them each game vs. 1, and the SP is pulled earlier in the game.

jagtrader wrote:

Freed Roger wrote:I'm somewhat concerned about the Rasmus mental state in the long run - with the way TLR jacks him around. When/if ever TLR lets Rasmus play regular, face LHers, tough pitchers and situations - will Rasmus press too much?


No way to really know the effect on his head. If I had Rasmus - I'd want him to gain that experience and know the coach has confidence in him.

If Rasmus is that fragile, he'll never be a star anyway. He's a 22-year-old rookie who has never played more than 128 games in a season. He's not a 150-game big leaguer at this point. It wouldn't be fair to put him into that spot. Resting him against tough lefties and keeping him in the 130-game range is a good idea for his success long-term.

You have a point, Rasmus should not be that fragile about being PH for. Just as he shouldn't be too fragile to handle tough ABs. The rookie has potiential as a "locked in the lineup" player ( quite the rarity with this team) - thats the approach TLR just can't seem to take -develop him as an everday player.

TLR likes to make his job harder than it is.

jim wrote:

jagtrader wrote:The Yahoo! box had Rasmus in the leadoff spot. Maybe it was wrong.

So did mlb during the game, and gameday has it as Rasmus in the 1 spot.

You think there is any chance we really did PH Duncan for Rasmus but *thought* we were PH'ing Duncan for the pitcher?

I was at the game this afternoon. Duncan jogged out on the field at the start of the bottom of the 8th and then came back to the dugout and Rasmus jogged out. Also on the stadium lineup, they had Rasmus in the #1 spot. just some little tidbits to add to the confusion.
Also, I have a bigger problem burning your last bullet than replacing Rasmus with Duncan if that is what was going on. If they still had a full bench behind them I would have no problem switching one cold hitter for the other. I see no benefit either way other than Rasmus if he does get on base is a better runner. But burning your last hitter I have a problem with.
My other problem and it could have gone either way, but I would have let Khalil hit away in the 8th. That way if he did get a hit, you can bunt with Carp to move the runners over to 2nd and 3rd. I dont think it is a head scratcher, but just something I would have done differently.
I know the Met fans around me were livid with TLR going to the pen for every batter in the 8th, but I think he was making the right moves there.

Fan_In_NY wrote: I know the Met fans around me were livid with TLR going to the pen for every batter in the 8th, but I think he was making the right moves there.

They said something the other day that TLR has brought in a pitcher to face one batter 40 times this season and the next closest was 24.

The 4 pitchers in the 8th might annoy the opposing crowd but I understand it. What I really don't understand is the day before when in the 6th inning he brings in Miller to face one hitter to leadoff the inning when we are down 4-0. Of course, Miller comes out and Kinney comes in and then the game gets away from us.

I think the mixing and matching in high leverage situations makes sense, but I can't imagine why you would do that in a none on, none out situation in the 6th inning of a game you are losing by 4.

TLR elects to let Kinney with six career ABs hit with the bases loaded in a 5-3 game, then takes him out with 2 outs in the next inning